Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/True Combat: Elite

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus to either merge or delete, therefore Keep. - Bobet 14:38, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] True Combat: Elite

This janitorial nomination follows on from Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/TrueCombat Elite. Many of the comments so far are that this game mod is not sufficiently notable to warrant a Wikipedia article. Therefore, it's only logical that this duplicate article be nominated too, despite it obviously being of way better quality than TrueCombat Elite. Personally, I question the notability and say weak delete. kingboyk 01:41, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete I do not believe that neither this article or the other one similar to it is notable enough for a Wikipedia article per WP:WEB and WP:SOFTWARE. Although the software is what the article is about, I believe the website's Alexa ranking notes how isolated this software is from mainstream attention. Jtrost (^T | C | _#) 01:43, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Hi. Here's a list, another one, also here, and something here (to even name a few). There you go. These lists of possibly not-so-played-mods should satisfy your hunger for voting down every possible mod that doesn't satisfy your contribution to demonstrate "notability". Have you ever noticed, that in fact, most players have to visit the website only once in order to download the game and start playing, just to prove your Alexa theory wrong. And for the record, is it not notable enough if TC:E has several IRC communities (#tce.gather, #tce.fi, clan channels, #tc:elite, #tcmappers), EXTERNAL COMMUNITIES ([1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6]) LEAGUES ([7], [8]...), FORUMS (truecombat.us, tce forums, fansite forums, etc.), and most of all, >PLAYERS< (over 100 now when Europe's asleep, in the darned early MORNING). To remind you about the number of players TCE has: TCE's developing team hasn't released an update that people have been whining for. I've gone waiting for it. At least 60% of the players have. Let's see how many players will play when TT introduces version 0.49, and after that, a new development cycle: release often. OH AND! I almost forgot! Darn you! Ah, yes, the mod has appeared in several gaming magazines! Oh, darn. Well, gaming magazines are for teenage slugs, so that isn't notable? Naah.. I guess you win, after all. This reminds me of some mod I'll AfD soon: Enemy Territory Fortress; only 20 players maximally play it a day. But hey. Ah, guys, don't worry, I'll code a quick perl script to AfD every game that hasn't hit the shelves or that you have never heard of. Take it as a favor from a friend. I agree with you that mainstream is full of games like SC, CS, ET, AoW, BF2, HL2, GarrysMod. By that I mean the quality shows and cool game ads that MTV plays and which 14 year old teen girls like. Wikipedia is after all mainstream! It's a good idea, indeed. Who wants un-trendy, un-hip, un-advertised subjects on Wikipedia? I don't! Wikipedia would save so much HD space and it will do only good! Anyways, guys, it's very early in the morning, so I'm going to go to bed now - school tommorow (technically today) at ten. :) (The reason why I posted slightly in socratic irony and sarcasm is because it cheers me up a bit, anyways, that wasn't meant to insult anybody, I just pointed out how narrow rationals people use to judge notability. You have research in order to even find something like a small segment from a few articles in a few magazines that I personally can't get (scans excluded), and as a good ol' fan of TCE, I provided you evidence, and I hope you that this is enough for a consensus.) Wikilove--nlitement ^[talk] 02:51, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge into Wolfenstein:_Enemy_Territory Make a new section on the page for mods..TheOneCalledA1 03:32, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Delete Well written, but notifyability is sketchy. Despite nlitement's combativeness and personal attacks, that magazine scan is enough evidence for me. Keep.--InShaneee 04:45, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Ah, god bless your ignorance. Just check my darned comment (nlitement here)!!. What do you want? Is it not notable enough? Well, then if you really want to do your thing, then just AfD every mod article, since a VERY few reach such coverage among the gaming community (which isn't the same as mainstream, as someone a bit less game-savvy said). I'll soon provide you with TCE magazine scans which I missed hard proof for. --84.249.252.211 17:03, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

• Now there's an idea! This isn't Modpedia, it's an encyclopedia. --kingboyk 17:06, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

• Improve Notability or Delete. There are no impartial references to determine notability. Are there magazine articles or other high-circulation media reports describing this mod? If not, it is not notable.  Cdcon  19:20, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per my comments on Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/TrueCombat_Elite. Naconkantari e|t||c|m 21:10, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
• Cdcon Please, read my (nlitement) comment. There are magazines with articles and a DVD. [9]. If you need proof right now, go and buy the magazines. I'll try my best in finding the scans for you. AND PLEASE READ NLITEMENT'S COMMENTS, HE (aka I) HAS LISTED SEVERAL GOOD REASONS FOR NOTABILITY Thank you. EDIT: PC Zone issue is December, not sure about PC Action, but there are articles about it. --84.249.252.211 22:36, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment OK, guys. I listed some quite unnotable mods of Battlefield and HL on AfD. Be thankful at least that I did the whole darn job for you that you would've done in one week packed into less than 15 minutes. They would've still all end up AfD'd and as test canines for your "AfD stress tests". So you should give me a star. --nlitement ^[talk] 23:51, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
• Magazines [Here's] the promised scan for skeptics. It's hard to get one of those! That's from the PC Gamer (UK) article I was talking about. Another one available in German PC Action. --nlitement ^[talk] 00:11, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge as per TheOneCalledA1 --Mmx1 23:09, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
• Comment You say that it is really a good idea to insert the whole article into Enemy Territory, something like inserting every game article into Video games? You don't seem to really understand: is a mod not worth its own articles if it has so many external websites and communities, even reaching such popularity as far as in South-Korea and Japan? Talking about ET mods, ETPub is vanity, and ET Pro should be a merge since it is not even a full-conversion mod (like True Combat: Elite - which would be plain stupid to merge into a section) but a general gameplay enchancement mod. Does anyone of you even have an idea of what Enemy Territory or "video game" is? --nlitement ^[talk] 20:12, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as random mod. Possibly mention it wherever the list of mods is. Stifle 23:06, 2 March 2006 (UTC) Notability is established by recent edits, keep. Stifle 09:08, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Here's a small list:

* Mentioned in two magazines (PC Gamer UK and PC Action, Germany)
* Has outside communities: TCE-Force TC:Japan (the second largest outside community after TC.US (check forums), a good example of how far it has reached in popularity), TC Germany, TrueCombat Finland, True Combat Finland, TrueCombat UK (reconstructed), TrueCombat.us, TrueCombat France
*Leagues: Clanbase ladder, TC League
* Planet Quake
* Moddb page with stats
* Currently playing (02:58 03.03.06) 440 players (taking to notice that the mod has gone one year outdated... beta test version with new version 0.49 coming at the end of Q1/2006 (soon) with 185 servers.
* 2000 registered forum users on TrueCombat.com
* Several active clans
* Et cetera, et cetera.--nlitement ^[talk] 01:10, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

• nlitement, you cannot vote to keep multiple times. Jtrost (^T | C | _#) 02:17, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

  I have struck out the second keep. Stifle 09:08, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Keep: I'd like to note that as someone who has worked in the electronic entertainment industry for years, I can safely say that TC:E is NOT non-notable. So no, I don't think the article should be deleted on those grounds. HOWEVER: if there are TWO articles on the same topic they need to be merged. -e- (Or the other page deleted as it is horridly written).⇒ SWATJester ^Ready Aim _Fire! 14:46, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Comment As a comment, Nlitement has submitted several highly notable mods for AfD, which is very disruptive and a WP:POINT violation. It may interest watchers of this page to possibly vote on those. ⇒ SWATJester ^Ready Aim _Fire! 14:46, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Comment Thank you, SwatJester, for finally pointing out. And by the way, here's some more accurate and updated stats of players: http://www.csports.net/(10baa0e42hnzq455n1snpkyo)/ModStats.aspx?Matrix=47&Mod=3260 --nlitement ^[talk] 22:44, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Keep I say this game article should be kept on the grounds that the other, inferior article is deleted. There is sufficient evidence to prove that this mod is notable. Also I think that whenever anyone types in: TrueCombat Elite in the search bar, that they should be redirected to True Combat: Elite. Marthoyink 13:59, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Comment This user's first edit was made here. Jtrost (^T | C | _#) 14:19, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.