Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Triplane Turmoil

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was combine this and Triplane Turmoil 2 into Triplane Turmoil series. History has been left intact due to the interest in merging, though quite frankly, most of the old Triplane Turmoil article appeared to be in-depth game guide/instruction manual material and editorializing on the nature of the gameplay. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 07:03, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Triplane Turmoil

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This article was deleted via prod and then contested at DRV. I undeleted but am listing at AfD because I feel that notability has not been established. The article is a simple product description with no independent reliable sources. Eluchil404 05:36, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

• Delete - Seems NN. Delete for now until reliable sources can be added to the article... Spawn Man 07:25, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. Cute but non notable shareware which is of no importance. Burntsauce 18:14, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete one of millions of shareware games existent, no evidence has proven this one to be of any more significance than any of the rest.  ALKIVAR™ ☢ 20:11, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete, not notable. (Full disclosure: I was the original deleting admin). ♠PMC♠ 20:33, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
• Comment. A significant Finnish game - note that the particular scene is rather insular as the country is small, remote and its language peculiar, and that crude graphics combined with sophisticated gameplay is characteristic. "Product description", I feel, is unfair since we're not dealing with an advertisement. This is very widely known amongst Finnish video gamers, so I'll see what I can do, but I'm highly bogged down by schoolwork at the moment so I don't know what I can... but at the least note that the game has a commerical sequel that's been picked up for retail distribution - if you insist on process, which you will, then this and the sequel are so similar that they could be merged into one article, as is done with Space Rangers (video game).
  Oh, and I found this right away, an elaborate article and interview that's mostly about the sequel but has non-passing mention of the first game. --Kizor 01:46, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep or Merge with Triplane Turmoil 2. With looking through the google search results, I'd found several articles that explained Triplane Turmoil's gameplay and such. Of four of them, two were (probably) Czech and one was Finnish. I don't speak either of the languages at all. But I believe they all will help establish the notability of the game. Below shown are the articles in question; Home of the Underdogs (written in English), Finnish article (Suomipelit.com), Czech article (FreeHry.cz), and another Czech article (Doupe.cz). If they wouldn't be suffice, then I think that merging with Triplane Turmoil 2 is a neater solution as per Kizor. Neko jarashi 07:44, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
• Merge both Triplane articles into one. Probably not notable enough separately, but together, with the sources above, probably they are. User:Krator (t c) 16:49, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. Two independent sources in the links section now. Alphonze 04:15, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
• I'm changing my bold-faced word to keep on the basis of the found links. While I can't read a word of Czhech, the interview is hosted by a long-term major player in the realm of Finnish gaming and has a relatively-big-name author with a good reputation. The review is hosted by the center of Finnish games, both indies and company-made ones. Neither site is trivial, nor a fansite; I'd accept them as reliable sources on this field. Both texts were written by staff, not by users. This should be enough to satisfy inclusion criteria concerns - if only by scraping past, but satisfy them it does, on a field where doing so is inherently difficult. The biggest problem here has been setting this game apart from all the other shareware games out there, which the review addresses by calling Triplane Turmoil "a living legend" ("legenda jo eläessään"). The ratings and readers' opinions concur. --Kizor 01:07, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

• And it turns out that the definitive Finnish gaming magazine has two pages on the sequel, putting to rest the possibility of having to merge that here. --Kizor 17:35, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.