Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Triangle K
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Keep per consensus. Contentious unsourced material was removed and references have been added. (closed by non-admin). RMHED (talk) 21:49, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Triangle K
Contains claims, sourced only to a blog, that the organization's kashrut standards and/or supervisory abilities may not be reliable. This is a WP:BLP violation affecting both religious reputation in the Jewish world and commercial reputation in the business world for the individuals named in the article. I understand that by arbcomm decision summary deletion is a standard route for such a case. However, both because the organization and the rumors involved are widely known in the Jewish world, and because reliable sources for the claim may exist, I am electing in my discretion to bring the matter to AfD. If there are reliable sources, everything should be kept. Shirahadasha (talk) 23:28, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions. --Shirahadasha (talk) 23:58, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
- Delete Article is pure OR as it stands, with vague terms "It is possible this issue has been resolved in recent years." and the like. Doesn't seem to pass the sniff test for NPOV either. Pharmboy (talk) 00:01, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
- Weak Keep and source There are indeed controversies, they are reported in the Jewish media, & they are notable. But the article needs to show this. DGG (talk) 01:50, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
- Weak keep see DGG. Culturalrevival (talk) 03:47, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
- Keep in current form. I think that it is reasonable to use the web sites of major corporations who use the service (e.g. [1], [2], and [3]) as third-party reliable sources. However, the controversy stuff must not be reinserted until valid sources can be found. Blog posts and message board threads won't cut it. *** Crotalus *** 05:27, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
- keep it has been cleaned up to removed any problem. We just be careful to expand it slowly and sourcefully (that is not a word - but I like it). Jon513 (talk) 09:08, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
- Keep because this is (a) a known Hechsher symbol, and (b) a legitimate bone fide known kashrut supervision organization run by Orthodox rabbis, see its website at http://www.trianglek.org/ . While some may consider it to be more lenient than the better known established American OU Kosher certification or OK Kosher Certification, it is definitely on the radar and relied upon by many Orthodox Jews. (c) The article is only a stub at this stage, and all it says now is: "Triangle K is a kosher supervision and certification organization under the leadership of Rabbis Jehoseph H. and Aryeh R. Ralbag. Its hechsher is a black letter "K" enclosed in a white equilateral triangle. It supervises a number of major brands, including Wonder Bread, Hebrew National, Minute Maid, and Sunny Delight" which is fine for now. Give it more time, like all stubs, to be built up. Finally, (d) If there is or was unreliable or slanderous information take it out (as someone did recently [4]), but that does not justify the nominator's hard to understand alarmism in this instance. IZAK (talk) 10:35, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
- Comment At the time I put the article up for AfD, the controversial information was most of the article. "Stubbify" would have been a reasonable outcome and I could have done it myself, but I wanted to see if there were reliable sources on the controversy that perhaps I hadn't been able to find. Since the article has now been stubbified, perhaps we should give the AfD a few more days to see if people returning from holiday can dig up some sources. Otherwise, I'd be happy with this outcome as it is. I'm aware of rumors about the organization, and I was hoping we could find sources that would put these rumors to rest one way or the other. Best, --Shirahadasha (talk) 19:57, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
- A brief Web search showed reliable sources for the fact that Triangle K is the Kosher certifier for several major corporations (I think the corporations' own websites qualify for this purpose). But I was not able to find any reliable sources about the alleged controversy. Perhaps this was discussed in Orthodox Jewish print publications, but, if so, those publications are not available online. Someone else with access to such materials would have to find this. *** Crotalus *** 22:51, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
- Comment At the time I put the article up for AfD, the controversial information was most of the article. "Stubbify" would have been a reasonable outcome and I could have done it myself, but I wanted to see if there were reliable sources on the controversy that perhaps I hadn't been able to find. Since the article has now been stubbified, perhaps we should give the AfD a few more days to see if people returning from holiday can dig up some sources. Otherwise, I'd be happy with this outcome as it is. I'm aware of rumors about the organization, and I was hoping we could find sources that would put these rumors to rest one way or the other. Best, --Shirahadasha (talk) 19:57, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
- Keep as re-written. Moderately well-known kosher supervision and certification organization, with a number of high-profile clients. Jayjg (talk) 03:29, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
- Keep though I look down my nose at anyone who eat "Triangle K", I must concede it is notable, despite my better instincts. Lobojo (talk) 23:39, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
