Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Trey Williams

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Dying Fetus. No individual notability has been shown, but users are correct that these cases are best handled by merge/redirect to the group. In this case, I didn't see anything substantial that wasn't already in the target article, so just a redirect will suffice. — TKD::Talk 22:46, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trey Williams

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This is a factoid, not notable enough for article. Had it tagged to merge with Dying Fetus, original author removed tags and then deleted discussion on talk page after just one week. Article wasn't improved or refed in the while. Felt it was better to be here to hash out. Pharmboy 17:36, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Close try WP:PM instead. FrozenPurpleCube 18:03, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

• Comment Article was first up for speedy delete. Attempt to merge was a compromise as it had one sentence that was potentially to be merged. AFD is proper as I question the notability of the entire article (per nom). The fact that merge was tried is incidental to nom. Pharmboy 18:17, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Keep, cuz, uh, I dunno... IT'S A MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT FROM A SEMINAL DEATH-METAL BAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS ARTICLE IS JUST AS IMPORTANT AS JOHN GALLAGHER'S OR SEAN BEASLEY'S!!!!!!!! Dark Executioner 23:46, 5 August 2007 (UTC)Dark Executioner

Comment Exactly. It is an announcement. Thank you for proving my point, that it is news, an announcement and not an article. This is EXACTLY why it doesn't belong in an encyclopedia, and policy is very clear about this. I'm not saying it isn't important, I'm saying Wikipedia isn't the place for this. WP:NOT talks about this, in multiple sections. Pharmboy 00:51, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Close I totally agree with DE. Let's keep the article.

68.218.44.10 23:48, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Close This article needs to be left exactly as it is. It's no bigger than the other articles about Dying Fetus' members. Plus, fans need to know this stuff.

Festering Rat Corpse 23:49, 5 August 2007 (UTC)Festering Rat Corpse

Close What a waste. We should be trying to find more info about this guy, instead of nominating it for deletion. I would recommend looking him up on Google or About.com, just be sure to put it in your own words. Besides, if the article is deleted, how in the WORLD could we improve on it?

Cowboy From Hell 666 23:52, 5 August 2007 (UTC)Cowboy From Hell 666

Close Point made. Enough said.

Death Metal Is The Best Subgenre 23:59, 5 August 2007 (UTC)Death Metal Is The Best Subgenre

• comment Just saying "close" without a reason isn't a vote. It was a request for procedure, but it didn't apply. It looks like you have successfully canvassedsome friends to show up and vote, but this isn't a Wikipedia is not a democracy. Cowboy From Hell 666 , Death Metal Is The Best Subgenre and 68.218.44.10 are all single purpose single use accounts, (which is interesting to an admin with access to IP info) This would be one hell of a coincidence otherwise.

• None have addressed the nom at all. "ILIKEIT" isn't a valid reason to keep. No one tried to merge these one/two sentence articles or fix them. I don't mean to be funny, but you have honestly used more lines of text in snide remarks in my talk and in the article summary than the entire article in question has in content. If someone wants to actually address policy, I'm all ears. Pharmboy 00:41, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Redirect to the main article and merge the content.--JForget 02:01, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

• delete - not notable outside of being in a band. In fact, it'd be good to look at deleting all individual member articles unless they have some importance outside of the band. Merge is unnecessary as there's essentially no content. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 15:00, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

In addition, (which is way the redirect option) is that it does not bring more info other then what it is said in the band's article.--JForget 15:07, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh, okay, let's just delete ALL info about death-metal personell and leave the world without any easily-accessable info whatsoever. Yeah, that makes PERFECT sense. At least I'm trying to enlighten the world, cuz SOME of us might actually want to KNOW ABOUT THEM. Dark Executioner 15:21, 6 August 2007 (UTC)Dark Executioner

You know what, just delete the damn article and get it over with. Forgive me for trying to make Wikipedia's coverage of death-metal personell bigger and more diverse. I completely forgot that it was against the rules. Now, let's just move on with our lives. Dark Executioner 15:29, 6 August 2007 (UTC)Dark Executioner

• Dark, this isn't personal. I didn't del/nom it because I wanted less coverage on metal. I was probably banging my head before you were born. I nom'ed it because you left me no choice after trying to work with you, within the policies at Wikipedia. If you stop getting defensive and JUST ASK, someone might have beeen able to help develop a *real* article that covers this properly, and more comprehensively, and within policy. This problem started when you deleted the tags AND the text of TALK for the article, and tried to shut down the conversation. Go read the FIRST talk on the page, I asked you to consider merge, you wouldn't have anything to do with it. This forced it into AFD for an objective look. *OBJECTIVELY*, it should NOT be merged and should be deleted as well as the pages for the other band members, if you want to get technical and follow the letter of Wikipedia policy(read above). My request to merge was trying to compromise and help find a way to incorporate the material, but instead you deleted the original talk, began canvasing and now talking sour grapes. If you really give a shit about the content and an article, you might have better luck by trying to work WITH people instead of against them. Not everyone who tags your article hates you. Pharmboy 16:34, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm frustrated cuz I can't find any info on this guy whatsoever. I tried Googling him, it just pulled up stuff about an athelete by the same name. On Dying Fetus' website, it just tells about the circumstances on how he joined the band. I think it said that he's from Boston, but I'd have to double-check. Pharmboy, I'm just sick and tired of all the articles I create being nominated for deletion. It's happened before, but believe me, if I had any acess to info, I'd be glad to put it. I just wanted you to wait a while. Now that we're stuck with this, yeah, I'd have to say that my mind is changed and we should delete the article. If we mention it in the main page, then I guess that's enough. It just seems too dry, if you know what I mean. Oh yeah, if you were born before 1989, then that makes you older than me, but in NO WAY makes you a better metalhead. :-) Dark Executioner 20:21, 6 August 2007 (UTC)Dark Executioner

If you can't find any information on him, other than the fact that he's in the band, then the best thing we can do is put the information on the band's page. If you wish to consider other options, then perhaps you could write some reputable magazine in the industry and ask them to do a profile on this guy, or the band. Or you could ask that they put more of a bio on their website. FrozenPurpleCube 11:52, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

There is a bit more on the talk page, but I think this is what we are heading for, which is where we started. I updated the Dying Fetus page somewhat in good faith by adding the info not just on Trey, but on the other current members as well (two other pages are headed for delete as well). It isn't about giving Trey respect, there just isn't enough info out there for a full article yet. Pharmboy 22:15, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

• Keep as it is a new article about an important up-and-coming musician. It can be deleted later if he does nothing to prove that he is more than just news du jour. Bearian 20:00, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Your arguement is exactly what policy says to not keep, someone "up and coming" which is exactly the opposite of notability, thus contrary to policy. Also, Wikipedia is not a newspaper, and "news du jour" is exactly what we are avoiding in articles. I think we already have a concensus to delete all (likely via prod) except by the founder and I have already merged the short articles into the main article, per Dark Executioner's input and fixes, and FrozenPurpleCube conversations, as well as conversations on talk page with Dark. I didn't say it wasn't without heated conversation, but the consensus seems to be merge/delete to make the Dying Fetus article better and make the info more accessible for fans. Pharmboy 21:44, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

• • It's better to just put any information you can find on Dying Fetus' mainpage than have tiny articles all over, just like Pharmboy said. I know, Bearian, I tried to keep the article, but after a lack of info, I changed my mind, and decided to work with Pharmboy by just putting it on the main page. Yes, it's a little unconventional when you look at other band's pages on Wikipedia (complete with separate articles about its members), but this is the best way.

So, have we reached a verdict, anybody? Dark Executioner 21:59, 12 August 2007 (UTC)Dark Executioner

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.