Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Trexler Scout Reservation

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus for deletion - default keep. The nominator is suspected of sockpuppetry (see:Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/MinsiPatches for single-purpose accounts. Since deletion is not preferred any options for merging can be mentionned at the article's page, but it is a default keep for now.--JForget 23:57, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trexler Scout Reservation

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A non-notable topic, and nobody has been able to provide evidence to the contrary. It is just a scout camp. There are no independent sources which cover this camp. There is apparently such a thing as a notable scout camp, but this is just... a scout camp. And is not notable MinsiPatches 17:26, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete nn camp. Carlossuarez46 18:39, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Speedy keep and close Appears to be a bad faith nomination. Shortly after the AfD for Camp Minsi was closed and the article deleted (diff), MinsiPatches (who had argued strongly in favor of keeping the article) started placing prods on similar articles, then went back and changed the prods to AfD nominations (7 total). Precious Roy 19:47, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge to Minsi Trails Council and let it incubate. If it can be expanded and notability shown then it can be recreated. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 20:07, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect per Gadget850. DMacks 20:11, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect per Gadget850. Rlevse 21:32, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep bad faith nomination on the part of MinsiPatches in reaction to the deletion of Camp Minsi. Oppose a merge to Scouting in Pennsylvania as it would just clutter up the Scouting in Oregon article. Also, {{stub}} articles are meant to be incubators themselves. Let the article be to grow and expand. It passes the google test for notability, there are independent sources, and is in compliance with our Wikipedia notability guidelines about when an article can be split out. --evrik (talk) 03:59, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - Bad faith nomination is reason enough to keep. AFD again when you've got a genuine reason. THE KING 12:35, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Speedy Keep - Was put up for AfD in bad faith. Mike6271 22:14, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment I am deeply troubled by some of the comments in these discussions. There has been a lot of effort invested in working to improve the quality of the articles found in Local council camps of the Boy Scouts of America.
First of all, there is no way that the article Boy Scouts of America could all the information on the local councils. So there is a whole set of articles placed in Category:Local councils of the Boy Scouts of America. This is in keeping with Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) and the WikiProject Scouting Manual of Style.
Many of the state articles themselves, like Scouting in Pennsylvania, are so long as to be unwieldy. Again, Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) talks about how it is appropriate to split out sections into new articles.
It is far too easy to say, oh that camp, council, article is nn. In truth, many of these articles do need work, but that’s what stub articles are for.
Camp Minsi should have been kept, and the administrator who closed the debate didn't show good judgment. This article should be kept because it has some notability, and because leaving it in place does more good than harm. My 2¢. --evrik (talk) 04:27, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge per above discussions or Delete but do not keep. Nothing in the article asserts notability. As with most of these camps, they lack notability. At best someone can merge anything of significance into a parent article. Stubs are not for articles that don't assert notability, they are for notable articles that need more material. When these AfDs are finished, someone needs to address the template that is the likely cause for the creation of these nn articles.Vegaswikian 19:57, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge the encyclopedic content and develop if there is ever anything more to say. Personally, I class these with junior high school articles--some few , probably very few, will be notable, but there can be no general assumption as a class that all of them will be. The material presented here is just the routine details of a scout camp--analogous to the curriculum of a junior high school; they are all slightly different and are named a little differently, but almost none of it is in the least significant. If the WP project really thinks this sort of article appropriate for an encyclopedia, they've got to make a case to the rest of us. Maybe there is a good opportunity for a Scouting Wikia. DGG (talk) 01:34, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Camps are inherently notable. They serve many individuals and the communities that surround them. Minsi Scouter 04:15, 26 October 2007 (UTC) — Minsi Scouter (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.