Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Treasure Island Scout Reservation

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was a Snowball Keep--JForget 00:13, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Treasure Island Scout Reservation

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A non-notable topic, and nobody has been able to provide evidence to the contrary. It is just a scout camp. There are little independent sources which cover this camp. There is apparently such a thing as a notable scout camp, but this is just... a scout camp. And is not notable MinsiPatches 17:25, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Comment The wording here gives this the the appearance of a reaction to Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Camp_Minsi. I need to look at the article in depth, as this is one of the few I could see meeting notability. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 17:56, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Treasure Island is the birthplace of the Order of the Arrow, and is the oldest (or possibly second-oldest) continuously operated Scout reservation in the United States. There are citable sources on it, and I can find more if necessary. Coemgenus 18:09, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Speedy Keep This is one of the most notable scouting camps in America. Admittedly, it does need to be expanded a bit and at least mention that the OA was founded there, as is mentioned in other articles, there is no reason to delete this on grounds of notability. Here are some sources found on Google. This appears to be one of a series of bad-faith nominations in reaction to the Camp Minsi deletion. Hersfold (t/a/c) 19:04, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Speedy Keep Notable as the OA was founded here. This is clearly a bad faith nomination, violating WP:POINT, in reaction to the Camp Minsi deletion, along with a series of other articles this user has nominated. TonyBallioni 19:13, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Speedy keep + close Bad faith nomination —Preceding unsigned comment added by Precious Roy (talk • contribs) 19:44, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Not a great article, yet, but it is notable. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 19:59, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, per "Treasure Island is the oldest continually operated Boy Scout Camp in the country and has had continuous Scouting since 1913." and per others' notes about it. That's a notable camp (maybe even the only one) for a very notable organization. DMacks 20:10, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Speedy Keep this is the most notable BSA camp of all. Rlevse 21:31, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Notable scout camp. It needs more references, though. — Wenli (reply here) 01:23, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
  • speedy keep-of all the ones nominated, this is the only notable one, perhaps one of half a dozen in the United States worth its own article on historical merit and value. Chris 03:29, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
  • keep bad faith nomination on the part of MinsiPatches in reaction to the deletion of Camp Minsi. --evrik (talk) 03:39, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep. Outside of Philmont, this is easily the most notable camp in the US. Smashville 16:28, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Speedy Keep - Extremely notable scout camp, AfD was put up in bad faith. Mike6271 22:07, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment I am deeply troubled by many of the comments in these discussions. There has been a lot of effort invested in working to improve the quality of the articles found in Local council camps of the Boy Scouts of America.
First of all, there is no way that the article Boy Scouts of America could all the information on the local councils. So there is a whole set of articles placed in Category:Local councils of the Boy Scouts of America. This is in keeping with Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) and the WikiProject Scouting Manual of Style.
Many of the state articles themselves, like Scouting in Pennsylvania, are so long as to be unwieldy. Again, Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) talks about how it is appropriate to split out sections into new articles.
It is far too easy to say, oh that camp, council, article is nn. In truth, many of these articles do need work, but that’s what stub articles are for.
Camp Minsi should have been kept, and the administrator who closed the debate abused their discretion. This article should be kept because it has some notability, and because leaving it in place does more good than harm. My 2¢. --evrik (talk) 04:16, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep obviously "the oldest continually operated Boy Scout Camp in the country" is notable. Another nonsensical AfD. Dhaluza 22:53, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.