Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Travis MacRae (second nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus, defaulting to keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 00:23, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Travis MacRae

The article, Travis MacRae, is a mostly unreferenced, verbose, and self-serving one that looks to be the work of a few individuals whose only edits to other articles are spam (read: links to the Travis MacRae article). A few examples include the irrelevant section on his pseudonyms and his inclusion in Category:Beat writers (of which he is the only member born after 1950). The real Travis MacRae is, by all appearances, a Canadian musician with limited local distribution of some local fame (such as in the Canadian broadcast Breakfast Television and a mention in Sing Out!).

My opinion on this article has not changed much since its last nomination in May, and since his notability as a musician is questionable, I would recommend deleting the article, or at least a major clean-up that removes any irrelevant/uncited information and the spam links to the article. --shadow box 15:26, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

• Comment As per nom, I have removed this article from Category:Beat Writers, See the discussion page for explanation, also I can't see how he meets the criteria for inclusion in general. Can someone explain how this meets or does not meet WP:MUSIC --Amists 15:52, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

• His notability (or lack thereof) in accordance with WP:MUSIC was more thoroughly addressed in the last nomination, and while it more or less remains just as suspect (claims of notability are still uncited and/or do not meet the guidelines), I tried to keep this nomination short. Some examples:

• He is not on a major label or notable independent label.
• "Travis MacRae" returns only 826 ghits (the second being his entry here), and returns no entry on All Music. --shadow box 16:08, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. His notability in accordance with WP:MUSIC can be affirmed by the previous nomination for deletion and by Jennifer C's comments below. I feel these continued nominations for deletion are not very productive at getting issues sorted out, so when I return from my vacation next weekend I will attempt to clean up this article to include more citations and the like. For now I feel it is worth noting the following:

• He has released material for the major labels Legacy Records & Appleseed Records & notable independent label Jade Tree Records
• He has released material for independent labels Middle River Records & Willow Tree Records
• He has been featured in the very notable Sing Out! magazine as well as Alternative Press
• He is largely discussed among independent web-forums regarding his musical style.
• He is a prolific writer and musician that has been cited as highly influential by the more mainstream artists Matt Pond PA, Jackie Greene & Mary Gauthier -- Jeff Leeds 13:17, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Jeff Leeds and Jennifer C are among the several individuals who have written the majority of the article. As noted in the nomination, most of their edits to other articles have been to insert links to Travis MacRae.
  In the last nomination, some came out of the woodwork to attempt to prove this meets WP:MUSIC with lists of points like these. However, as was true last time, few if any of these points are mentioned in the article, and none are cited.
  That said, Jeff, it'd be great to cite and clean up this article. However, I've prodded it and nominated it seperately twice with no changes. If it survives, please do! --shadow box 19:37, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

• In that case, Delete per the above and the details from the previous AfD. --Amists 17:18, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete 'per nom and SB ST47 17:36, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per nom. Note, an appearance on Breakfast television does not mean much. I've been a guest in Breakfast Television, and I can assure you I am not notable. -- Whpq 20:00, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. This artist has recently released new and very relevant material on Legacy Records. As I recall the article in Sing Out! which speaks of MacRae also cites him as a rising star in the folk music circle. While folk music does not translate very well to fame, I feel this article is very relevant if only for its posterity. -- Jennifer C 12:41, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
• keep please per jeff leeds and jennifer c this meets music bio guideline Yuckfoo 12:37, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep. This does appear to skirt by our inclusion guidelines, but the unsourced garbage needs to be removed. RFerreira 07:12, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.