Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Travail

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The result of the debate was KEEP. Postdlf 03:48, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Travail

Non-notable band —Wahoofive (talk) 07:05, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• Delete, broke up before they even toured or recorded anything notable - fails Wikipedia notability guidelines. Megan1967 08:12, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
• Megan, where'd you get that? Keep and expand. Quick searching shows they were nominated for one or more Dove Awards; those are the award for contemporary Christian and gospel music. Samaritan 13:09, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • The Dove Awards dont have much credibility outside of christian music circles. Megan1967 04:59, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. All Music Guide notes one album to their credit recorded in 2000. As the band has been nominated for a Dove Award which is a notable award for artists in that genre, this band is notable within genre. Capitalistroadster 18:52, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
• Keep as above. Kappa 19:02, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
• Just for the record, WP:MUSIC requires as a criterion of notability that they win a major award, not just get nominated. —Wahoofive (talk) 21:58, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Suggests, not requires. From its introduction: "Please note that the failure to meet any of these criteria does not mean an article must be deleted; conversely, the meeting of any of these criteria does not mean that an article must be kept. These are merely rules of thumb which some editors choose to keep in mind when decided whether or not to keep an article that is on votes for deletion." The music guidelines are not themselves restrictive, official policy or semi-policy. Samaritan 22:26, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
• Comment: If the article noted that the band had been nominated for a Dove Award, it would be easier to determine whether the band was notable. Also, if that award really is a significant award for artists in that genre, WP doesn't know about it. From Dove Award:

"Hence, the Doves are not taken particularly seriously by many musicians or music fans."

I don't have a strong feeling about this particular case, but the current article completely fails to establish any notability at all. Instead of telling us about what quick searches show, how about fixing the article so that the band's notability is evident to everyone. Quale 04:37, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

• Then that's a borderline POV/original research or at least poor wording problem with Dove Award. In the Christian music community everybody seems to know about them, and anybody curious about Christian music would quickly too. It's like contending in Grammy Award that they aren't taken particularly seriously by many musicians or music fans in China. Samaritan 17:54, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

• Weak keep. Allmusic.com entry but no written bio. I've also chopped out some POV from the article. Gamaliel 08:20, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

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