Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Transylvania in fiction

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 09:52, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Transylvania in fiction

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Unsourced trivial information. Wikipedia isn't a directory. Relevant contents should be in the Transylvania article. This attitude of "move a long section to a new article to clear the clutter" needs to be stopped. RobJ1981 (talk) 00:53, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletions. -- Hiding T 20:23, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. Isn't Transylvania an indelible part of horror fiction, particularily of the Golden Age of Hollywood? Most people outside the area know it primarily for that, which is certainly noteworthy. At the same time the matter is distinct from the demographics, geography, politics, etc. etc. of the area itself. --23:01, 23 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kizor (talk • contribs)
Certainly is, but this isn't an article about the fictional (as opposed to real) Transylvania, it's just a list of fun stuff that uses the fictional Transylvania as a setting or theme. --Paularblaster (talk) 00:44, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete: fun stuff, but no encyclopedic value. --Paularblaster (talk) 00:44, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep as it addresses a notable plot point in various works of fiction, as suggested above by Kizor. Thanks to the whole vampire legends, Transylvania has served as the setting of many of film, video game, or novel and so I think a good article could be written about this phenomenon and how it may accurately or inaccurately reflect the real location. I feel strongly that these "in fiction" articles are encyclopedic and I have been working to improve a variety of them. In this particularly case, it concerns a topic of interest to our readers and editors and should be kept and improved with additional sources. We clearly are shifting in a keep or no consensus over these types of articles lately anyway: [1] and [2]. I do think the article should and could be improved, however. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 07:08, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep Transylvania has been used for _many_ years as a setting for vampire, werewolf, and other monster-related fiction, to the extent that many in the West know of it only through such works. This phenomenon is pretty separate from the real Transylvania as a concept, and it would also be just too long to put in the article on Transylvania, which is up to 29K. Squidfryerchef (talk) 23:08, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep I could not at first see why this should possibly have been nominated. The country in which notable fiction is set for rather obvious reasons, would seem clearly of encyclopedic interest. It's not as if all these works just accidentally happened to pick the same place off a map at random. It's not as if nobody has every discussed the matter either, or correlated it with some aspects of actual history. But I may have figured it out, for it may be a signal that all the potentially questionable cultural influence and popular culture articles have been already eliminated. DGG (talk) 05:30, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep I don't particularly think compendia of popular trivia are encyclopedic or belong on Wikipedia at all, but they're a fact of wiki-life and it's going to take more vigilance than we can summon up to get rid of them all. That said, the "Transylvania in fiction" list is most likely keeping a good number of people from cluttering up the "Transylvania" article (which, we sometimes need to be reminded, concerns a real place with a long history that has very, very little to do with vampires, werewolves, and the other grotesques people in the Anglophone world constantly insist on shackling it with) with irrelevant and often insulting contributions. "Transylvania in fiction"'s examples have little or nothing to do with the real Transylvania; if we delete the list, massive bloating of the real "Transylvania" article will result, with frustrating results for well-meaning horror fans (who will see their contributions mercilessly reverted out of existence) and nightmarish, highly distracting consequences for serious devotees of Transylvanian cultures trying to improve the "Transylvania" article. Hubacelgrand (talk) 01:40, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Lists of times a thing is mentioned in TV, movies, and record albums do not belong in an encyclopedia. Such mentions are not ipso facto notable even if the subject being mentioned is itself notable. / edg ☺ ☭ 11:12, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Maybe not - no position on that - but this is the closest thing we have and the only one with a decent chance of improving into what you wish to see. With that and my previous comment in mind, I'm going to say keep. --Kizor (talk) 22:53, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep The mythical image of Translyvania that is conjured up by fictional accounts in books and the cinema is so well entrenched in Western culture that many Americans are not even aware that there is a real Transylvania. Anyone looking to improve this article would do well using this paper by Dr. Carmen Maria Andras in the Journal of Dracula Studies: "The Image of Transylvania in English Literature". It's fascinating what kind of reliable sources you can find when you look for them. DHowell (talk) 01:26, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment The New York Times had an article a year or two ago that Transylvania was finally starting to open up tourist attractions based on the literary image. There were Dracula snow-globes, etc. May be useful to someone trying to improve the article. Squidfryerchef (talk) 13:39, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment The mythical Transylvania is separate from the real Transvylvania, and merits a separate article for the same reason why we have separate articles for Iceland versus Thule. Squidfryerchef (talk) 13:43, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.