Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Trae

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 00:05, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trae

non-notable, non-encyclopedic, nonsense...should I go on? Batman2005 02:12, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

• ...and vanity. Delete. Royal Blue 02:36, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom --† Ðy§ep§ion † ^{Speak your mind} 02:52, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete this rubbish.Blnguyen 02:58, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. The guy appears to be reasonably notable. He's got CDs on Amazon.com and an entry at Allmusic.com, for example. The article just needs to be cleaned up. Dbtfz (talk - contribs) 05:08, 13 February 2006 (UTC) Changed my mind. Delete per WP:MUSIC. Dbtfz (talk - contribs) 02:22, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep - you probably should at least pretend to know something about the artist and genre before you propose a deletion. Notable, encyclopedic, definately not vanity. --129.133.144.100 06:20, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Delete Give me a break...one or two mentions on Amazon.com DOES NOT denote notability. If you look, his "CD's" were compilations with other artists and were ranked 90,000th for the past few days. This person is no more notable than I am and doens't warrant inclusion here. 4.224.192.146 21:59, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

• Note this comment is most likely from the nominator's IP. Check the IPs contribs. --HasNoClue 21:54, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

• Strong Keep For anything music related please check WP:MUSIC and Allmusic.com before reaching conclusions. He is noted on Allmusic which states that he has released 2 albums. So it's not vanity, it's notable, it's encyclopedic, and it's not nonsense. --TheMidnighters 22:41, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Before my original deletion tag i checked Allmusic and read WP:MUSIC and still believe that he is not notable enough to be included here. JUST because you've released two albums doesn't infer notability. Like the IP poster above said...his albums were ranked 90,000th or lower on the Amazon.com website. Nobody had submitted reviews, I just returned from my local Best Buy, they had no album of his. Allmusic.com is very much like IMDB.com, i could submit my name to it and it would be included in a future update, its not reliable. What is more reliable is checking google...which brings FEW mentions of this "notable" rapper. I stand by my deletion tag as non-notable and probably a vanity page. Batman2005 00:56, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:MUSIC. Hasn't released two albums on any major label; Google returns 0 for "Trae Thompson"+"guerril[l]a maab", and if the label doesn't have a Wikipedia article, how much less notable must its artist(s) be? Melchoir 06:15, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

• That's just a ridiculous thing to search for. Try searching trae maab - 20,500 results. All of the first page is about the article subject. --HasNoClue 16:47, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:MUSIC. Possible speedy. Stifle 11:54, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Note, I just googled "trae maab" and the article says and I quote "trae inked a deal with his own G-Maab Entertainmen." Can I ink a deal with my own company and release an album? Batman2005 20:35, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

I did the same thing, and I was about to say that. Melchoir 20:38, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Err, did you read that he's now signed to Rap-A-Lot, a well known label? Did you notice 20000+ google hits? If you weirdos are gonna delete it I can't stop you, I just hope you dont think that you're somehow making Wikipedia better by getting rid of an artist you've never heard of. Have fun with that. --HasNoClue 02:09, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh, by the way, how many non notable artists have singles that go for 70 bucks on ebay? [1] --HasNoClue 02:10, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Quite the contrary, it would appear you are the one who "HasNoClue." I made an effort to find information on this artist. I tried to find a cd at my local music store....nothing. Tried to find mention of him on reputable web-pages like billboard charts, or the like...nothing. If he's now signed with "Rap-a-Lot" records....great! When he's satisfied the criteria for inclusion here....which by the way is TWO albums released on a well known/major record label...then by all means...include him. The article as is reads as vanity and non-notable content. I'm also looking through ebay and don't see a $70.00 single for this artist anywhere...do you have a link for that? And please, leave your personal "weirdo" attacks out of here, or you'll be blocked from editing here. Batman2005 02:18, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

I posted the link to the $70 single in my last entry here. You want it again? Here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4829386147&category=306. Here's 50+ blog posts that mention one of his songs: http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch?hl=en&q=trae+swang&btnG=Search+Blogs --HasNoClue 04:48, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Here's proof that he's had rotation on a radio network: http://www.hot933.fm/countdown/e_quest.aspx . Here's proof that he was featured in a major music magazine: http://www.xlr8r.com/reviews.php?uid=666B1B0CF8612ADF3F59ACD35864BDCF . Here's an interview with him: http://www.ballerstatus.net/features/read/id/21851280/ . This shows that his was one of the top songs in rotation on a radio station recently: http://www.puroparty.com/radiostats.php . I really don't think there's any argument anymore, but if this isn't enough proof for you to take down your nomination, I propose that it be relisted with the new evidence. That's fair. --HasNoClue 05:22, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

No, because he was listed as non-notable. And does not meet the Music requirements of having released TWO albums on a major label. We'll let a moderator determine the outcome of the debate. What you've provided is that at least 12 people bid on a cd of his, and a few people talk about him on blogs. Batman2005 05:25, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Those links do not appear to be national stations or major media. Melchoir 10:40, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure about the radio stations, but the magazine XLR8R listed as a major music media in WP:MUSIC. And even if it weren't major, I think that all the things I mentioned taken together make this article perfectly legitimate for Wikipedia. He has recorded with platinum-selling artists. What more do you want? --HasNoClue 15:34, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

• Question If he's SOOOO NOTABLE...why is only one person defending that notability? 4.224.90.189 05:29, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment I checked ProQuest for any mention of this person, and the only "Trae Thompson" I found is a staff reporter for the Fort Worth Star-Telegram who usually covers sports stories. Same guy? Crypticfirefly 05:38, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

• Uh, Batman, the WP:MUSIC page clearly states that they only have to meet one or more of the qualifications. Are you suggesting that every musical artist on wikipedia has to have 2 albums on a major label? You're wrong. Secondly, I proved that his music is in demand enough to fetch 70 dollars per single (if you want to know why that is notable i suggest reading up on economics), I proved that he has had heavy rotation on radio stations, I proved that he's been reviewed by a major music mag, I proved that he is mentioned on numerous blogs, AND I proved that he has worked with extremely well-known artists like The Game and Paul Wall (see the interview for that info). To the other guy, my guess is that I'm the only person defending notability 1. because the nomination is old, 2. because Wikipedia editors don't tend to be fans of the genre that he's in, and 3. because 90% of the people who vote on this stuff consider themselves 'deletionists' and take pride, for some ridiculous reason, in removing stuff that they haven't heard of or don't care about. And no, it's not the same guy, cryptic. --HasNoClue 05:42, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

• Implying that I know nothing of economics won't help you win the argument. Clearly the consensus here is "delete." As such i'm through with your childish ways and lame attempts to protect the article of a clearly non-notable "rapper." Batman2005 05:56, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

• Hey, you ignored all the legitimate points I made. Clearly the consensus here was uninformed and I'm willing to bet that it'll be keep if it's relisted with the evidence i posted. Furthermore, you demonstrated your lack of knowledge about notability requirements by stating that an artist had to have 2 albums on a major label to be notable (you should probably go nominate all independent artists for deletion, since they don't meet that requirement). I'm also confused by the quotation marks around "rapper". What are you trying to imply here? --HasNoClue 06:09, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

No my friend, I didn't ignore any post that you made. I just chose not to respond to the same stuff i've been responding to the entire time. This guy is not notable. Period. I'm sorry you feel like you need to admonish me and say that I don't know what I'm talking about. It must be difficult for you to be up against so many people who claerly deem this artist non-notable. Are you Trae? I'm guessing you just might be. Sorry kiddie, don't let your feelings get hurt, you'll make it big one day! Batman2005 06:50, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete without prejudice as non-notable. Ifnord 00:04, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.