Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tony Samara

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The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS, which defaults to KEEP Paul August ☎ 21:28, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Tony Samara

questionable notability- 2,270 hits on google, only half of the first ten related to this particular Tony Samara. vanity page- only edits by 82.154.202.158/82.154.136.200/Tsamara, presumed to be the same user, who is affiliated with the samara foundation and has contributed almost solely linkspam related to Tony Samara. Heah (talk) 21:35, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

• Weak keep. The behaviour of the editor in question is dubious as pointed out by the nominator and does smell of vanity. However, if he's done the stuff that his website [1] says he has, then he might just get above the notability bar. Maybe. -Splash 01:32, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Okay, he's journeyed through the jungles of South America to study under shamans. But what has he done to impact the world that makes him worthy of an encyclopedic entry? According to his website (but not the article) he gives lectures, but so do tens of thousands of other non-notable people. If Mr. Samara is so noteworthy, let's see a reference to an article or book written about him by a notable third party (the New York Times, the Village Voice, etc). If something like that materializes, I'll gladly change my vote, otherwise this article seems little more than an advert for the Samara Foundation. Fernando Rizo T/C 08:16, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep the article Wikipedia cannot refer only to American references if it is to be a world encyclopedia. Here is a press article from the reference newspaper in Portugal: DNA - Diário de Notícias on Tony Samara see also Diário de Notícias' main page - Various articles have been written about him in Visão magazine (Portugal's equivalent of Time magazine). He also appeared recently on Croatian television (Good Morning Croatia). There are many articles on people in Wikipedia that don't have any impact whatsoever on the world such as fashion models that appeared twice on a magazine cover. What is written about Tony Samara is correct and his invaluable work is being documented in books that are to be released by third parties at the end of this year. Wikipedia is for free information, we can criticize everything and find faults in everything but what makes it special is that it has cutting edge information of things that are hard to find elsewhere and not just news that is reported in The New York Times in the U.S. User:Tsamara

A search for "Tony Samara" on Diario de Noticias' website yields zero hits. That leaves you only the subject's own website which, as R. fiend already pointed out, cannot be taken as a neutral, objective information source for the subject. Fernando Rizo T/C 16:49, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Here is an article in Visão where you can find out about Tony Samara's work (in portuguese) - Visão article about fasting. The Diário de Notícias article was published in a special supplement that doesn't have an online version, they do have it in their archives if you wish to call or write them. I'll look up for more since Tony's work is primarily - but not only - focused in Portugal, Slovenia and Croatia. User:Tsamara

I would breifly like to point out that a google search for "tony samara" will bring up hits from every language and corner of the world, not just in english, from the united states.--Heah (talk) 18:28, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

• Delete. Vanity. One's own website is not a good source for NPOV information on a subject. -R. fiend 15:16, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

• Delete If this doesn't qualify as vanity, what on earth does? This is a badly written promo piece that should be tossed forthwith. Also, the link Visão article about fasting contains a hardly notable reference. Dottore So 22:35, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

• Weak Delete. Seems to be vanity. Definitely not NPOV. At the very least, needs some credible references other than the link to Samara's own website. If the article could be improved to be NPOV and to have some third-party references, I would vote to keep. Colin M. 22:45, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Changing my vote to Weak Keep. I still think this page is not NPOV, and is therefore in need of fixing (particularly, it needs more references to third-party sites), but the subject is at least marginally notable and the fact that the article needs fix-up doesn't necessarily mean it should be deleted forthright. Colin M. 00:20, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

• Keep the article This is a significant humanitarian organization here in Europe, which happpens to be driven by Tony Samara. His website was written objectively by someone who observed his work over an extensive period, therefore 'self promotion' and 'vanity' are not relevant here. If people are lauded greatly by those who come into contact with them, there is a reason why, and if the article is allowed to remain where it is, more people will have an opportunity to find out what that reason is.LifeisRound.com

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