Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Toni-ann byfield

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep. —Cleared as filed. 02:47, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Toni-ann byfield

crime victim,unon notable(aso miscapitalization and bad spelling)( Melaen 00:14, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

• Delete- As sad as this is, she is a non-notable person who has had a notable event happen to her. That's all. Reyk 00:27, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
• Strong Keep this was major news in the UK. Bloody badly written article though... Jcuk 00:28, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep as per Jcuk. Was headline news. Dlyons493 Talk 02:14, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Please cite the headline news reports in the article to demonstrate this. Uncle G 02:28, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Murders are often headline news. Nothing sells more than death, especially of children. Delete for still being not notable. --Apostrophe 07:53, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep per above. Cleanup if need be. -- JJay 02:27, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment: Scotsman case coverage round-up available here [1], also see Guardian [2]. -- JJay 04:04, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
    • Please add the citations to the article, as above. Uncle G 05:45, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
      • Sorry, have no time. Maybe later. But please go ahead. Thanks. -- JJay 13:05, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete - life is filled with misfortune, not all of it notable. Endomion 05:46, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep major cleanup needed.--MONGO 05:51, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
• Strong keep. This was an important event in the UK and was a major catalyst for a campaign against gun crime as well as reform of the British Social Services. I've rewritten the article to include a reference and some more information, as well as tidying it up. Jamyskis Whisper, Contribs 08:52, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Individual articles of murdered family members (including this one, a 7-year-old girl) are a bit much... and the the parents' names are in red here. If the drug-related mass killing triggers a notable reform of the Birmingham Social Services, it might be best to move relevant information to that article and Redirect to Joel Smith (UK murderer), the person who started the sequence of events, once he has been convicted of the crimes. In addition, the information about the DNA test is irrelevant to the subject's notability (which hinges on her murder, not who is her biological father) and should be removed from the article. B.Wind 18:04, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
    • I modified the proposed target of the redirect as Joel Smith is a noted footballer with an existing Wikipedia article. Regardless, the focus should be on Toni-Ann's family instead of just herself. B.Wind 18:10, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
    • Mary Jane Kelly was an unnotable down and out who just happened to have a notable murder inflicted on her. Should we treat this individual any different? Jcuk 23:10, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep thanks to Jamyskis's rewrite; however it'd be nice if more pages linked to the article. Right now it's pretty much an orphan. Flyboy Will 09:16, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, Wikipedia is not a memorial. --Angr (t·c) 12:45, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep as rewritten, per Whisper. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 16:18, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
• Comment Have added one or two citations to the article as per UncleG!! Jcuk 17:06, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
• Merge per B.Wind Cynical 19:57, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
• Weak keep the new rewrite. Not 100% sure it qualifies as notable but I'll assume keep in default. Stifle 12:51, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Pepsidrinka 23:56, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep and move to correct name. --Alf ^melmac 08:45, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.