Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tomáš Pekhart (2nd nomination)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No Consensus defaulting to Keep, disagreement over his notability, suggest sources quoted in this debate are added to the article. Davewild (talk) 12:06, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tomáš Pekhart

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procedural nomination—article version at time of AFD: This was deleted in 2006 via AFD. It is not eligible for deletion under WP:CSD#G4 as content has changed somewhat. PROD nominator states "No evidence that the player meets notability criteria for sportspeople as laid down at WP:BIO". Personally, I think Pekhart might barely pass the notability threshold now but could not in 2006, but it would not have been appropriate for me to decline the PROD given a prior AFD (under present policy). User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 05:40, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

  • This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 05:43, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Very Strong Keep He played for SK Slavia Praha, a fully professional team. Currently signed to one of the biggest teams in the most popular league in the world (albeit as a reserve). Still, his time at SK Slavia Praha ensures that he easily passes out notability guidelines for athletes. faithless (speak) 08:14, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - If he played any games for Slavia Praha, the article should say so. At the minute, the article provides no evidence that the player meets the notability threshold, and should be deleted. – PeeJay 10:40, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, there's hardly an article there once you remove the peacock phrases and he hasn't yet made any notable appearances at a level which really establishes notability. If he's up-and-coming (which his age indicates) then there's no reason the article can't be reinstated should he find himself playing first-team football at a notable club, but that isn't guaranteed. Chris Cunningham (talk) 11:43, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: there's not much about him in Czech written media and online, just few fan pages (based on this one from city he was born) and short notices where he scored or so. I guess this is plus for him.
If kept, the article should mention in the first sentence he is football player - "Totenham Hotspur" is not self-explaining. Pavel Vozenilek (talk) 15:11, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per general guideline at WP:N (i.e. the player has significant coverage in independent sources) and per WP:BIO, irrespective of the fact that he played for Slavia Reserves[1] and therefore he fails WP:BIO (never competed in a fully professional league). There is an article dedicated to him on FIFA.com, more that enough for football player to claim the notability (Pekhart, the gentle giant). Other non-trivial mentions include BBC Sport and UEFA.com.   Jhony  |  Talk   16:18, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
Comment: yes, there's one article in a Czech newspaper just about him and more mention his name but every newspaper here dedicates one or more pages to sports every day. It would be hard to find a fooball player who was not covered. Pavel Vozenilek (talk) 21:54, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Comment. Not just mentions of his name like in squad list, but untrivial coverage. And by no means every fully professional league footballer has received such coverage.   Jhony  |  Talk   00:03, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Fails WP:BIO as he has not played in a fully-professional league. пﮟოьεԻ 57 19:00, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - the original reasons for deletion still stand - he has not come close to a first team appearance - he is not even in the Tottenham Hotspur first-team squad at the moment. Qwghlm (talk) 12:24, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Evidently, citations from WP:BIO are required to prove the opposite: "The topic of an article should be notable, or "worthy of notice"...(comment: if Pekhart is worthy of notice for international governing body of football, it seems that he is worthy of notice for Wikipedia too)...if (Basic criteria) he or she has been the subject of published secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject....(comment: FIFA, UEFA, BBC Sport. It seems to be enough to satisfy this criteria)... Additional criteria: A person is generally notable if they meet any of the following standards. Failure to meet these criteria is not conclusive proof that a subject should not be included; conversely, meeting one or more does not guarantee that a subject should be included....Competitors and coaches who have competed in a fully professional league."   Jhony  |  Talk   02:22, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Strongly keep - he played in the highest level of competitions so it passes to BIO criteria (FIFA World Cup no matter in what age category is in my opinion the highest level of football competitions). Look at Wikipedia:Notability (sports)- the quote: Players, Managers and Referees who have represented their country in any officially sanctioned international competition (including the Olympics) are notable as they have achieved the status of participating at the highest level of football. The notability of these is accepted as they would have received significant coverage as outlined above in the general notability criteriaBartekos (talk) 01:04, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
According to precedent, caps at youth level do not make players notable. Pekhart has not had a full cap for his country yet. пﮟოьεԻ 57 00:05, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Although he hasn't played in a fully professional league, he has significant coverage in multiple reliable sources (BBC, Daily Mail, FIFA.com, etc) which I believe is sufficient to confer notability. Jogurney (talk) 04:24, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep The sources discovered by Jhony seem to guarantee his notability.--Aldux (talk) 16:34, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete if his career ended tomorrow he wouldn't be notable. The sources I've read simply state how big a future he has. Hence he fails notability at this stage. If he makes it then sure go ahead and recreate the article. Peanut4 (talk) 02:13, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.