Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tolkien metal
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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was was redirect to Mithril. Sjakkalle (Check!) 06:45, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Tolkien metal
All these bullshit metal "genres" have to go. While metal bands frequently employ lyrics derived or inspired by Tolkien's literature, this is not enough to warrant the declaration of a new genre. The only band that has a consistent Tolkien theme is Summoning, and even so, their music is not identified as "Tolkien metal" by them or their fans. What this page lacks in information it more than compensates for in inaccuracies. The only ostensible connection between Isengard and "Tolkien metal" is the band's name; Isengard is a folk metal side project of Darkthrone's Fenriz. OnwardToGolgotha 05:58, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Weak keep. Some of the bands appear to describe themselves that way, and I see some metal e-zine results. A lot of the results are Wikipedia mirrors though (and there are quite a lot of them), however. I don't see any harm done in leaving it here; it appears legitimate. --Idont Havaname 06:46, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Redirect to Mithril. Radiant_* 11:33, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)
- Mithril has nothing to do with the music, though. I suspect a joke. :-) --Idont Havaname 18:34, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- It's not a joke... when I hear the term 'tolkien metal', what I think of is 'mithril' rather than some obscure subgenre of music. I do realize it's silly though :) And yes, I did mean delete & redirect. Radiant_>|< 01:54, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)
- Well, joke redirects have their own special place. We did have somebody trying to redirect Culture of England to Pub. And, er... yes... there is one page of Google hits for "mithril" + "Tolkien metal". --Idont Havaname 06:18, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- It's not a joke... when I hear the term 'tolkien metal', what I think of is 'mithril' rather than some obscure subgenre of music. I do realize it's silly though :) And yes, I did mean delete & redirect. Radiant_>|< 01:54, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)
- Mithril has nothing to do with the music, though. I suspect a joke. :-) --Idont Havaname 18:34, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Grins. Redirect per R. --Scimitar 13:49, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Redirect to Mithril, per Radiant!. -- BD2412 talk 14:01, 2005 Jun 3 (UTC)
- Delete imaginary music genres. No one refers to mithril as "Tolkien metal." —Wahoofive (talk) 23:48, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. My sense of humour also permits a redirect to mithril if that outcome is supported by wikiconsensus. --TenOfAllTrades (talk/contrib) 01:25, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Redirect to Mithril. :) NeoJustin 02:17, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
- Redirect to Mithril with much praise for Radiant. -- Jonel 04:10, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Weak Keep I have heard this term used before, but I'm not sure where. Falphin 19:44, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. As other editors have said, it's pretty much a fake genre. (For those above, note that "redirect" votes will essentially count as "keep"s.) Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 19:52, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Is this because Mithril has nothing at all to do with the music genre called "Tolkien metal"? --Idont Havaname 02:41, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- No, it's just that, as the Guide to Votes for deletion explains: "There are thus just two basic votes: Keep, indicating that you wish the article and its edit history to be kept; Delete, indicating that you wish the article and its edit history to be deleted. All other votes are simply shorthands for one of those two actions". ""Redirect to Example" is a shorthand for "Keep and change into a redirect article pointing to Example"." Admins generally count redirect votes as keeps, despite the firther explanation: "A voter who votes "Redirect" usually does so in the belief that whilst the article's content is discardable, a redirect should exist to redirect readers who use that article title to a more complete, more general, or simply pre-existing article." Personally, I take that to be much more on the "delete" side of things, but I'm in a minority I think. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 20:55, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- I would hope—in a perhaps somewhat forlorn and futile manner—that any closing sysop would have the sense to read the redirect to mithril votes as delete and create redirect (another permissible vote), rather than keep. --TenOfAllTrades (talk/contrib) 21:29, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- No, it's just that, as the Guide to Votes for deletion explains: "There are thus just two basic votes: Keep, indicating that you wish the article and its edit history to be kept; Delete, indicating that you wish the article and its edit history to be deleted. All other votes are simply shorthands for one of those two actions". ""Redirect to Example" is a shorthand for "Keep and change into a redirect article pointing to Example"." Admins generally count redirect votes as keeps, despite the firther explanation: "A voter who votes "Redirect" usually does so in the belief that whilst the article's content is discardable, a redirect should exist to redirect readers who use that article title to a more complete, more general, or simply pre-existing article." Personally, I take that to be much more on the "delete" side of things, but I'm in a minority I think. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 20:55, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Is this because Mithril has nothing at all to do with the music genre called "Tolkien metal"? --Idont Havaname 02:41, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Weak delete or redirect. -Sean Curtin 02:31, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)
- Redirect to Mithril or Galvorn. Salleman 00:08, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.
