Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tokyo in pop culture

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. However I will note that no good reason has been given to maintain the list but the article is now more than a list. Mangojuicetalk 15:57, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tokyo in pop culture

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Wikipedia isn't a directory, and isn't a trivia collection. Some relevant (and important) information should be put in the Tokyo article, and leave it at that. RobJ1981 (talk) 18:00, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletions. —···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 02:45, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Lists of times a thing is mentioned in TV, movies, and cartoons do not belong in an encyclopedia. Such mentions are not ipso facto notable even if the subject being mentioned is itself notable. This list is dominated by Japanese media mentioning Tokyo — mentions of Tokyo in such are not in any way an interesting phenomenon. / edg ☺ ☭ 11:20, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep as it is a discriminate list that demonstrates Tokyo's notability by indicating its influence and use in popular culture. I feel strongly that these "in popular culture" articles are encyclopedic and I have been working to improve a variety of them. Appearances of cities in popular culure influence the tourism of the area and so there is a real research interest in knowing how popular particular cities are and how accurate the fictional depictions of these citites are. Plus, we clearly are shifting in a keep or no consensus mindset over these types of articles lately anyway: [1] and [2]. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 19:13, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment I believe this type of article has potential only if this kind of thing has been observed by a good reference. I am sure that there is an interesting text to be found about how Tokyo is represented in popular culture and that it could be used as a reference. In fact, I would tend to vote keep in hopes that such references are found, but the current article is nothing more than a collection of links, and that does not make it a real article.Youkai no unmei (talk) 19:25, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per Edgarde. The topic is far, far too broad to be coherent in this Wikipedia article. There could be prose articles like Cultural depictions of Tokyo in literature, Cultural depictions of Tokyo in film, et cetera, but this is just a list of indiscriminate topics that happen to be Tokyo-originated. The existence itself hardly depicts its placement in pop culture. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 15:55, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. This is much better than Atlanta in fiction which was also nominated, which I also argued to keep. If someone wants to improve this article, a good reliable source would be Dawn to the West: Japanese Literature of the Modern Era by Donald Keene. Tokyo as a fictional setting has been commented on by enough reliable sources that the topic is clearly notable (and who doesn't have the image of Godzilla destroying Tokyo somewhere in their brains)?. The list is not "trivia", it avoids trivia by stating "A title with just a brief episode in the city is not listed." The list shows fictional representations of Tokyo which are "associated with" and have "significantly contributed" to the the popular cultural conception of Tokyo (which is the topic of this article), and thus meets the criteria to not be a loose association of topics. This article doesn't fit any of the types of articles listed as indiscriminate information, which are the only types of "indiscriminate information" which have consensus for exclusion. DHowell (talk) 03:17, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
  • "Popular culture", by definition, is extremely broad. Anything could be related to Tokyo through popular culture -- locations, people, cuisine, historical events, politics, etc. Without the lack of criteria, editors can add and remove any entry as they please, making this topic far too subjective and indiscriminate. It would be far more beneficial to narrow the scope, as I mentioned in my Keep comment above. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 15:35, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - but prose-ify(?). The current format invites unencyclopedic additions. The Article needs to explain stuff, more than just list stuff. Exit2DOS2000•T•C• 10:40, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Nothing here is relevant; it's just a gigantic trivia section for the Tokyo page. Sorry.--CastAStone|(talk) 15:25, 5 December 2007 (UTC)


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.