Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Todd Marshall

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge all into List of Wing Commander characters. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 01:33, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

I have finished merging all the articles actually listed as being nominated. Any other articles discussed here will have to be handled by someone else. (^_^) ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 03:16, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Todd Marshall

Also nominating:

Articles are entirely plot summary with no citations to reliable sources that provide real-world content/context. Do not pass writing-about-fiction guidelines, do not make any assertion to real-world notability. --EEMIV (talk) 21:45, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Keep but source. I like these fictional characters bio.≈Tulkolahten≈^≈talk≈ 23:36, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
- "I like it" is not a compelling reason to keep an article. Sourcing what's there is insufficient -- citing the plot summary still just leaves plot summary, and not the critical commentary or development information that WP:WAF calls for. --EEMIV (talk) 23:38, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Speedy keep, I didn't want my comment to be kept as a WP:ILIKEIT. Well, there are tons of articles about fictional characters and I think they are quite needed. Well, maybe lacks sources, but that solves {{references}} tag, give that a couple of moments. I don't see any reason to delete all these articles, so I am changing my mind to speedy keep. ≈Tulkolahten≈^≈talk≈ 23:42, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
- "other stuff exists" is not a compelling reason to keep content; surely there are many other character articles that need deleting. As an aside, which reason for speedy keep do you think applies here? --EEMIV (talk) 23:47, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
  - It is not WP:OTHERSTUFF at all, I didn't say this is notable, because something else is notable. I commented existence of articles like this. I disagree with the deletion. I used speedy keep just because there is not any reason for deletion. You didn't provide any. ≈Tulkolahten≈^≈talk≈ 23:54, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
    - There are tons of articles about fictional characters - Great -- but what about these articles? The tons of stuff are immaterial, hence me pointing toward OTHERSTUFF. If I misunderstood your point, then sorry. there is not any reason for deletion. You didn't provide any. - It seems you missed the text a few inches up about the lack of citations to reliable sources, the absence of an assertion for real-world notability, and the all-in-universe perspective. Please read WP:SPEEDYKEEP; none of the reasons given there seem to apply even if I hadn't given a deletion rationale; speedy keep is intended for disruptive/vandal nominations, AfDs for policy, a withdrawn nomination, or nomination by a banned user -- none of which apply here. --EEMIV (talk) 00:04, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletions. —Quasirandom (talk) 00:42, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Merge per WP:FICT all articles into List of Wing Commander characters. I don't see evidence that the individual characters have acheived notability, though perhaps a couple have and I'm not seeing it, but it looks like the casts as a whole (at least in some of the releases) did get independent notice, giving the list article better claims to notability than most game character lists. A paragraph summary of each in the main list would fill out a nice article, especially when sourced with citations from game reviews. —Quasirandom (talk) 00:54, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Keep (sigh) this again, this was done not so long ago, and didn't happen. I nominate to keep, but I'm really starting to wonder if there is any point or if this will just keep getting hashed through till people give up.... Douglasnicol (talk) 01:15, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- Question - I've looked at all these articles' talk pages and don't see any links to previous AfDs -- what do you mean by this again? If there are previous deletion-related discussions, please let me know so I can link to them. --EEMIV (talk) 01:20, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
  - I was actually starting to wonder if I was wrong.Here's the link, I know the header in the link is to a different WC related article, but Tolwyn's is in the list, this was a mass deletion proposal of over 100 entries at once. I see it does say re-nominate, though. I still am in favour of at least some articles having seperate pages. Tolwyn and Blair for example.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2007_May_18#A-17_Broadsword_heavy_bomber

Here you go. Douglasnicol (talk) 23:05, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Merge all per nom. Most of them are so stubby that their merge would almost be effortless, while the List of characters does not summarize them at all. Merging seems like the only reasonable option to me (could even have been done without AfD). – sgeureka ^t•c 01:38, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Merge all - Should be easy, and will help deflect recreation. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 19:24, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Surely at least one or two of the more notable and well used characters like Tolwyn can keep seperate entries. Tolwyn for instance was a vital part of three Wing Commander games, was present in a fair number of the novels as well. I agree some of the characters might qualify for little more than 'redshirt' status :) but I think there are a few that could otherwise still class as seperate. Douglasnicol (talk) 16:28, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Merge, except that any few articles that may worthy should be kept separately. I leave discriminating them to the editors doing the merge. DGG (talk) 02:59, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Merge - This should all be in one article Tirronan (talk) 19:52, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Object to merge - Even merged content needs to he cited to reliable sources, which none of these tidbits has. --EEMIV (talk) 19:55, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Keep A bunch of these should likely be merged, but not all of them. Hobit (talk) 08:37, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Merge all into List of Wing Commander characters, together with Christopher Blair, who seems to have been left out of this nomination for some reason (presumably accidentally). None of these articles have references, or evidence of real-world notability, and none of them have any good reason to exist as an article in their own right. Terraxos (talk) 19:04, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Comment': if you think these articles are bad, take a look at Cat:Wing Commander spacecraft. The vast majority of those ought to be deleted/merged as well. Terraxos (talk) 19:07, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Merge, but this will take the coordinated effort of several sysops' mops. Bearian (talk) 00:43, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Merge any articles without secondary sources to assert notability. Then, in a bonus decision, merge most of this. Pagra shtak 01:27, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

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