Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Timothy Ryan Richards

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Mallanox 15:59, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Timothy Ryan Richards

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Fails WP:BIO by a large margin. Justin Berry may be notable; this person is not. He was a minor operative in Berry's organization and a porno performer who fails WP:PORN by a country mile. This article appears to exist mainly to shill for Richard's unnotable web sites and to generally hijack the Wikipedia for use in the Berry - Richards fight, which appears to be a minor catfight of limited interest to the world at large. Herostratus 19:45, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

The article was created to spinoff content about Richards from the Justin Berry article, as the Berry article was becoming heavily-laden, as was discussed in Talk:Justin Berry. How does being a spinoff affect the question of its retention? --Ssbohio 20:28, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Article needs vastly improved, but the subject is notable within his particular world, and in consideration of the article's being spun off from Justin Berry, its notability should be considered in parallel with its main article. --Ssbohio 20:32, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. Spinoffs do not inherit or share the notability of the articles from which they were split. The subject does not have enough notability to have an article on his own behalf. ·:·Will Beback ·:· 23:01, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
In that case, Will, can the article be placed in my userspace (as User:Ssbohio/Timothy Ryan Richards) if the consensus is for deletion? I'd like to do some research on Richards and see if I can establish notability outside of his working for Justin Berry. --Ssbohio 14:31, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete for lack of notability, SqueakBox 23:23, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete – While I very much disagree with the nominator's speculations on the article's authors' motives and I believe he/she is assuming bad faith, it would seem that this article's content belongs in Justin Berry, if anywhere. — Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 00:24, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
  • KEEP. As Richards is a key piece of the Justin Berry article, and certain forces (namely Justin Berry) have opposing views, it is only appropriate that Richards have his own article. This keeps with Wikipedia's main policy of maintaining neutrality as much as possible. In addition, there has been little time to conduct research into Richards to include additional and verifiable information. If the Richards article is deleted, then Justin Berry will cast Richards in such a negative light in order to make himself look like a saint. For this reason, the article on Timothy Ryan Richards must remain available. dmking12370
    • dmking, I agree that the article on Richards should be kept, but having a separate article to give Richards' "side" of the conflict creates what is called a POV fork, where content is split off from an article so that it and the article can push different points of view. I don't believe the article on Richards has been used that way, with the exception of an edit that was reverted (by me) and deleted by an administrator. --Ssbohio 05:03, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete nn Mukadderat 16:35, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
    • It's not a vote, so what are your thoughts on this article? Is there anything that could be done to make it keepable in your eyes? Richards has notability, within his field, but it's tough to document. I'm hoping that there won't be a consensus to delete, but that some good ideas can come from this process to get the article up to spec. --Ssbohio 17:28, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.