Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Timothy Bush

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus. WaltonOne 16:51, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Timothy Bush

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Procedural listing - was prod, but seemed to me to warrant an AfD. Original nomination was: "No reliable sources (all citations are from genealogy websites), and subject doesn't seem to be particularly notable in and of himself. It's nice that his great-great-great whatever grew up to be president, but we already have an article about him. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 14:45, 16 July 2007 (UTC)" Orderinchaos 16:05, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete his family may be notable but he is not. Notability doesn't really rub off or pass through DNA. NobutoraTakeda 16:14, 16 July 2007 (UTC) This user has been banned and !vote has been stricken. [1]
  • Delete, being the (somewhat distant) ancestor of a notable person doesn't make one notable. ɑʀкʏɑɴ 16:15, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, per my reasoning behind the PROD. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 16:19, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, it's not just the Bush family that makes him notable, its also the Fairbanks family. His mother grew up in the oldest house in the United States. --Briancua 18:26, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Then that merits him a minor mention on a page devoteed to the Fairbanks, not his own. NobutoraTakeda 18:38, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. Unless he's been written about by independent non-trivial third parties, he's not notable either as a Bush or as a Fairbanks ancestor. Growing up in a notable house does not make one notable in the least. --Charlene 18:28, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete not notableUntilMoraleImproves 18:40, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect to Bush family. Only notability is that he's a member of a political family. Blueboy96 20:54, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Very weak keep Keep "the earliest confirmed direct ancestor of the Bush political family." I think for figures of this period reliable genealogical sources may be appropriate DGG (talk) 22:47, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Unfortunately, none of the genealogical sources cited in the article meet WP:RS. This is particularly problematic, given that the article also includes an offensive allegation regarding his parentage. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 00:04, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Changed to very weak keep on the grounds of the weak sourcing. But conjectures about historical people's legitimacy are not covered by BLP; it's not his parentage. DGG (talk) 22:33, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per DGG. Callelinea 01:08, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - cousins, uncles, sisters, brothers, the friends of a friend of notble people does not equate to notability. It is not a process of osmosis for these individuals. If kept Wikipedia evolves into an information source of the mundane.--Storm Rider (talk) 00:37, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per DGG plus the attribution requirements are met. Burntsauce 17:34, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.