Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Timeline of the Ultima Universe

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Arguments to keep are based on WP:USEFUL and WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, neither of which are convincing. Also a lack of any secondary sources. WP:V is non-negotiable. Neil ☎ 10:48, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Timeline of the Ultima Universe

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No secondary sources can be found to demonstrate notability, as this fictional time line is primarily derived from the Ultima game manuals, which have no significance per se. Gavin Collins 09:08, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Game-related deletions. --Gavin Collins 09:08, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
• Delete This is non encyclopedic trivia. Just like a pure plot summary. I'd say WP:FICT applies. The approriate amount of detail is in the main article.Obina 09:58, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. The Ultima series are a major part of gaming history, and the timeline is useful for reference. Mikael GRizzly 14:05, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment What evidence do you have for that assertion?--Gavin Collins 14:11, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
• Transwiki to an utltima wiki. This is of little use to anyone who is not already a fan of the game. Ridernyc 14:53, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

I transwikied it to the encyclopedia gamia it can be found here So if anyone wants to edit it feel free to --Cs california 07:30, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

• Keep Wikipedia has an extensive listing of fictional timelines. Most that I've looked at have few or no references at all, as they all link to a main article. I'm not arguing that this is technically correct, but obviously an accepted standard considering the age of most of the fictional timelines in the list. The Ultima article does not appear to have a proper reference section no any in-line citations however, but does have external links-- a few of them appear to be secondary. sources. - Ukulele 19:46, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Because we have other articles like this is no reason to kepp this, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.Ridernyc 03:58, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

• Delete - per WP:PLOT and possibly as a copyvio of the timeline on which, according to the article, this one is based. We have deleted many such timelines over the last several months and the fact that others haven't been doesn't justify keeping this one. Otto4711 22:41, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - Ultima series is significance in gaming history [1] [2] [3] and the timeline is good reference material. Worldfamousdirector 01:51, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

• Comment None of these sources provide any evidence of notability for the timeline itself. --Gavin Collins 20:48, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

You can call a plot summary a timeline, but it's still a plot summary with no real world context. Ridernyc 22:08, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

• Delete per nom and Obina. Doctorfluffy 01:36, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
• Keep/Merge - Find some way to incorporate the timeline into the Ultima article. The timeline is useful as a condensed way of providing context. Hagan jared 02:21, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.