Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tim Kalemkarian

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. W.marsh 20:06, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tim Kalemkarian

Tim Kalemkarian (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

A person who has been a writein candidate for numerous US elections. An article on Wikinews was deleted for lack of verifiability, see n:Wikinews:Deletion_requests/Archives/Deleted_Archive_15#Tim_Kalemkarian_runs_for_US_President.2C_US_Senate_.2C_US_House. While their deletion processes do not apply to us, this does show that people have looked for sources and failed. The article is also largely incoherent and fails to note that this is very much a fringe candidate. A prod was removed without these issues being addressed. I was tempted to speedy delete this, but I think being a presidential candidate is a claim to notability. Delete gadfium 21:40, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

• Comment -- apparently, according to this source, he is an actual presidential candidate. Here's his election history to 2000 and he has participated in elections since then (see [1]). Also, see this CNN source -- Black Falcon 23:38, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Additional sources -- he intends to run for the Republican party presidential nomination for the 2008 election. Apparently, though he does not get many ghits, the hits he does get are from reliable and relevant sources. So, I am chaning to "keep and cleanup". -- Black Falcon 23:43, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
• Comment about write-ins -- Although he was previously a write-in in 1994 and 2000, it seems he is actually a registered candidate for the 2008 presidential election. -- Black Falcon 23:53, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Another comment - argh!! Please ignore everything I've written above except the sources. Thanks, Black Falcon 00:02, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. I could file and run for President of the US, but that doesn't make me notable, and that doesn't make Tim Kalemkarian notable. A Google search yields only 70 hits. BlankVerse 15:17, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

• Granted, and I'm not saying he necessarily is notable, but the fact is you haven't filed and campaigned whereas he has (multiple times in multiple elections). Whether the sources I've noted above make him notable...I don't know. That's why I've only commented rather than suggested a specific action. -- Black Falcon 17:45, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

• Comment to the closing admin -- there is what amounts to a keep vote on the talk page. Thanks, Black Falcon 17:46, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Tim Kalemkarian articles. Kalemkarian is an official Candidate registered with the Federal Election Commission. Kalemkarian spoke on a nationaly sindicated radio show with Hugh Hewitt the host. Hewitt can be contacted at web site hughhewitt.townhall.com . This article is very robust and vivacious. Tim Kalemkarian has inproved the article very much. Keep the article. author : Tim Kalemkarian. {{publish}} {{source:oricinal/author:Tim Kalemkarian}} [[Category:North America/United States/California/Los Angeles/Politics and Conflicts/United States Federal Elections, 2008]] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Anonymous4 (talk • contribs).

Delete. None of the information currently in the article, except for bald facts about him being filed as a candidate in certain races, can be confirmed from the sources given. I looked him up in the FEC's database [2] by typing his last name into the search box. That database gives his full name, address, and names of his committees, which are mostly trivial strings of letters including his last name. Even the stuff in our article about his positions is completely unsourced. This article, if kept, will not be maintainable. Is it going to be our policy that anyone who files for president, in any state, deserves an article in Wikipedia? Surely in presidential politics, of all fields, you would expect that notable candidates would be covered in the press. There are no press mentions in the article, with the possible exception of the Hugh Hewitt show, which does not leave us with any actual text about him that we can cite.

In a previous comment, User:Black Falcon argued that the Talk page was in favor of a Keep. At a quick glance, nearly everything in the Talk page looks to be contributed by Kalemkarian himself, so I wouldn't consider that to be persuasive. EdJohnston 02:13, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

• I meant the talk page of this AfD (and yes, you are right about the contributor). There exists some coverage of Mr. Kalemkarian in various places, but I don't know whether they qualify as "non-trivial" mentions. I remain, still, neutral (there is a claim of appearance on a radio show, but that claim is unsourced, so it does little to sway me toward a keep). -- Black Falcon 02:46, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

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