Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thoughtless

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. - Mailer Diablo 00:59, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thoughtless

Thoughtless was nominated for deletion on 2005-09-06. The result of the discussion was "speedy delete". For the prior discussion see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thoughtless/2005-09-06.

This is the second nomination; the first, 2 months ago, was for homophobia etc. This page has none of that content; rather, it is not noteable per WP:MUSIC as the band has not yet released an album, etc. Colonel Tom 02:58, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

• Do not delete, I am making this for my band, I dont even know why it is being considered for deletion.
• Delete, per nom. Tom Lillis 03:44, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
• It's being considered for deletion because your band is not yet well-known enough to get an encyclopedia article. Please read WP:MUSIC which explains which bands get an article. When you have two albums released by a major label or very well-known independent label, you get an article, for instance. Even then it's considered better to wait for other people to make the article about you, then fix any inaccuracies. I say delete. DanielCristofani 03:46, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete according to WP:NMG. Melbourne band yet to release any records. By the way, the AfD notice is missing and I don't know how to install one for a second nomination. Capitalistroadster 04:00, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
  • template changed again to 2nd nomination. Colonel Tom 04:16, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. -^demon 04:02, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Non-notable band. Cnwb 04:09, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions. . Capitalistroadster 04:14, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
• The band has not released any albums or singles, been signed by anyone, or even had any gigs apart from performing in school. Furthermore, not only does the article explicitly state that they play in the garage of one of the member's parents, the article even has photographs of all of the band members in said garage. This article therefore fails to satisfy any of the WP:MUSIC criteria. However, failing to satisfy the notability criteria isn't the only problem. The article is original research, comprising an obviously firsthand account of the band's history. The place for this is the band's own web site, not Wikipedia. (Ironically, the band has its own web site, but the images are broken and the text is in white on a white background.) Delete. Uncle G 04:25, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, does not satisfy WP:MUSIC--nixie 04:28, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete But good luck guys, maybe after a couple of years and a smash album or two we'll see you back. pfctdayelise 04:30, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Ambi 04:51, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
• Who's the one saying we haven't played anywhere except school? That's all it says in the history thing. But we have played at many gigs. 3 battle of the bands in 2004, 4 in 2005. We played at push up in the western suburbs. also that image is not in a garage. the ones of us playing are in a garage, but the image of all of us is in an abanodened place where we thought it would be cool to take photos in, and make them look official possibly giving us some credibility. the problem with our site is that all the links are linked to live.com.au but the host moved to music.net.au, they have reset all passwords and thus anyone owning a site with them is unable to access. thus i cannot fix the links until the host resets everyones pw back to normal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thoughtless Band (talk • contribs)
• What is this? Garage band self promotion week? I'm from the Western Suburbs of Melbourne and my sympathies lie with you, but sorry guys, as for this article - a definite deletion! ρ¡ρρµ δ→θ∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 05:56, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
• Well I spent a lot of effort on this page, and now all of a sudden its going to be scrapped. I mean, a lot of other pages exist here and are really bad or pointless, why should mine be targetted 10 minutes after its completed, once I've done all the work?Thoughtless Band 06:16, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
  • The difference is that you've missed the point of what Wikipedia is. Wikipedia isn't a free wiki host, for anyone to come along and write articles about themselves, their bands, their schools, and so forth, from firsthand knowledge. It isn't a vanity press or a self-publishing service. It's an encyclopaedia. Everything here must have been published somewhere else first and have been already acknowledged by people and accepted into the corpus of human knowledge. If you want to publish a firsthand, previously unpublished, account of your band that incorporates stuff that nobody else knew before, your own web site is the place to do it. You were warned about this before you started the work that you did. You are encouraged to keep contributing to Wikipedia, but please heed the warnings about what is acceptable here before you do. Uncle G 06:34, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
  • I acknowledge that you have done a lot of work on the article. Have you thought about alternatives such as MySpace, GeoCities or Google Base which allow for free hosting. Unfortunately, your band doesn't meet our music guidelines as yet although we all wish you well. Capitalistroadster 06:37, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
• Userfy as creator might want content to move elsewhere as suggested by Capitalroadmaster. KillerChihuahua 14:49, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete and do not userfy and let this hang around forever. If the creator can't be bothered to copy this somewhere else in the week it takes us to delete it, tough cookies. —Cryptic (talk) 15:50, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
• I unilaterally userfied it for them yesterday for the reason subsequently given by KillerChihuahua. I still think that may have been a good idea; "tough cookies" sounds a little like biting the newcomers. DanielCristofani 05:21, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
• Weak Delete Nice job for this kind of page, but it really does belong elsewhere. CarbonCopy 21:57, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as nn. Sarah Ewart 02:10, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete IanBailey ^(talk) 09:43, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. To the guys who did the page - good luck with your band, and a nice job on the page, but this isn't what Wikipedia is for. We hope you guys want to contribute pages about other, well known bands - there are a list of them here. -- Chuq 09:52, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --Roisterer 07:09, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Why is it that I keep getting messages about deleting of articles? I havent been doing that, nor would I know how to.

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.