Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thirteen Thirty-Six
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Delete. - Bobet 11:06, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Thirteen Thirty-Six
NN, 528 ghits mostly not them, possibly hoax: "their front man, Justin Hearn, died of a sudden overdose when he inhaled too much airplane model glue." --Macarion 04:27, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete If it is a WP:HOAX, then it's a hoax on MySpace too (which is the first google result you get. Fails WP:MUSIC DavidHumphreys SPEAK TO MEABOUT THE THINGS I MESSED UP 04:41, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete, fails WP:HOAX and WP:MUSIC. --Coredesat talk. o.o;; 05:33, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per above. DarthVader 08:56, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per above. -- Alias Flood 17:08, 8 July 2006
- Speedy Keep I know this band, every member, personally. The entire article is completely accurate. Justin Hearn did indeed die of an adhesive overdose while attempting to "get high". In addition to this point, Thirteen Thirty-Six "Has become the most prominent representative of a notable style or the local scene of a city", that city being Port Huron, the style being ska and the scene being every local venue, and thus is notable by wikipedia standards. User:Casualtyken
- Delete, fails WP:MUSIC and WP:V (knowing every member personally and relaying anecdotes is not valid verification.) --Kinu t/c 03:50, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
- Comment:This entire article (excepting the death of Justin Hearn) and the notability of the band can be verified through archived articles in the Port Huron Times Herald. The Times Herald is an acceptable publication according to the articles concerning verification. Passes WP:MUSIC and WP:V. The website at which these articles can be accessed is www.thetimesherald.com. User:Casualtyken 04:05, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
- Comment: Please explain which of the WP:MUSIC criteria this passes. Also, please add citations to the article so the community can decide if WP:V is met. --Kinu t/c 03:11, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
- Comment: Thirteen Thirty-Six meets the criteria for WP:MUSIC in that it "has been featured in multiple non-trivial published works in reliable and reputable media" (ie. Bill Chapin. "Play Offs" Port Huron Times Herald, January 13, 2006 and Bill Chapin. “CD REVIEW: Five Ways to Kill a Pirate by Thirteen Thirty-Six” Port Huron Times Herald, April 28 2006). These articles also serve to verify the existence of Thirteen Thirty-Six and all claims made in the article, excepting the death of Justin Hearn.User:Casualtyken 01:32, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
- Comment: Unfortunately, most editors, such as myself, don't consider that to be a "non-trivial" mention in the strictest sense of the word; for example, there is a review of CDs published by local artists in the arts section of my local newspaper as well, but I would hardly consider any of them to be worthy of Wikipedia, as most of them are self-published EPs and whatnot. (There is a discussion about this on the talk page of WP:MUSIC, I believe.) Assuming that there have been any mentions outside of the "home market" or if any of the WP:MUSIC criteria were otherwise satisfied, then I would be willing to reconsider. As it is, my vote still stands. --Kinu t/c 13:58, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
- Comment: I am unsure as to why your opinion on what is non-trivial should outweigh my own or why you are so vehement in your argument against Thirteen Thirty-Six. I am shocked that you provide no more than a semblance of statistics (though "most editors... don't consider that to be a 'non-trivial' mention." hardly even resembles a fact) to support your assertion that the Port Huron Times Herald is a "trivial" periodical, even in the strictest sense of the word. There are currently no statutes concerning the definition of "non-trivial" for use as a reference for WP:MUSIC verification and therefore it is a matter of opinion as to whether or not a periodical is indeed trivial. Your opinion, or that of any other individual, weighs no more heavily than my own on this matter. Please clarify exactly how my support and citations aren't "good enough" for Wikipedia with anything other than personal opinions and challenges (or, if you prefer, a clarification as to how your opinions outweigh my own), and I will gladly concede the point.User:Casualtyken 18:16, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
- Comment: Unfortunately, most editors, such as myself, don't consider that to be a "non-trivial" mention in the strictest sense of the word; for example, there is a review of CDs published by local artists in the arts section of my local newspaper as well, but I would hardly consider any of them to be worthy of Wikipedia, as most of them are self-published EPs and whatnot. (There is a discussion about this on the talk page of WP:MUSIC, I believe.) Assuming that there have been any mentions outside of the "home market" or if any of the WP:MUSIC criteria were otherwise satisfied, then I would be willing to reconsider. As it is, my vote still stands. --Kinu t/c 13:58, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
- Comment: Thirteen Thirty-Six meets the criteria for WP:MUSIC in that it "has been featured in multiple non-trivial published works in reliable and reputable media" (ie. Bill Chapin. "Play Offs" Port Huron Times Herald, January 13, 2006 and Bill Chapin. “CD REVIEW: Five Ways to Kill a Pirate by Thirteen Thirty-Six” Port Huron Times Herald, April 28 2006). These articles also serve to verify the existence of Thirteen Thirty-Six and all claims made in the article, excepting the death of Justin Hearn.User:Casualtyken 01:32, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
- Comment: Please explain which of the WP:MUSIC criteria this passes. Also, please add citations to the article so the community can decide if WP:V is met. --Kinu t/c 03:11, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
- Comment: I apologize for not being more clear about this when I originally struck out your second "vote"... but while AfD is not a "vote" in the strictest sense, please make your recommendation (e.g., Save) only once, per WP:AFD#How to discuss an AfD/Wikietiquette. If you have additional information you wish to provide, please use Comment or something to that effect. Thanks. --Kinu t/c 04:11, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
- Comment:This entire article (excepting the death of Justin Hearn) and the notability of the band can be verified through archived articles in the Port Huron Times Herald. The Times Herald is an acceptable publication according to the articles concerning verification. Passes WP:MUSIC and WP:V. The website at which these articles can be accessed is www.thetimesherald.com. User:Casualtyken 04:05, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
