Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Third World War

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was (withdrawn by nominator) but appeared keep. Ifnord 02:38, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Third World War

band of no renown, vanity piece Jim62sch 00:11, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

  • Delete -- Jim62sch 00:12, 23 January 2006 (UTC) Withdrawn
  • Keep -- Article refers to a band that really existed and had a compartively good renown. The name Terry Stamp itself comes up with 2,360,000 the first page in a google search comes up with reference to Third World War. Abhishekpradhan 00:13, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete - No evidence of a hit on any chart. Article admits a "small fanbase, but not much else came of the band". Ruby 00:46, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
  • comment -- lets try 902 hits on Yahoo (Google's hits are inflated due to "sub-references"). You need to use the plus sign and quotes. Jim62sch 01:00, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Redirect to World War Three. Changing vote to keep after rewrite, however rename to Third World War (band) and make this title a disambiguation page since there is also a magazine and a pair of books by this title, and of course it's also an alternate way of saying World War Three. 23skidoo 01:12, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete as nn.Blnguyen 01:14, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep per Abhishekpradhan. Dbtfz 01:50, 23 January 2006 (UTC) They are a notable underground band, cited as influences by the likes of Steve Albini, Joe Strummer, and Jello Biafra. Dbtfz 02:15, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. Avi 02:05, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete and Redirect per 23skidoo —Wahoofive (talk) 02:09, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep - absolutely not a vanity piece, they were an influential band. It just needs to be rewritten. HasNoClue 02:28, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
In response to Ruby, see the following notability criteria for "performers outside of mass media tradition", which this band clearly falls under:
  1. Is cited in notable and verifiable sources as being influential in style, technique, repertory or teaching in a particular music genre.
  2. Has been a significant musical influence on a musician or composer that qualifies for the above list.
  • Keep per Dbtfz and HasNoClue, and cleanup. I'll do it tomorrow if nobody else does. - squibix 02:57, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
I rewrote it; it's longer now, if nothing else. - squibix 16:17, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep per HasNoClue, et al. Crunch 03:06, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep -- Astrokey44|talk 03:21, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep, influential proto-punk band. Andrew Levine 04:17, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete and redirect to World War III per above, in my opinion. However, if kept, it should be moved to Third World War (band) with this title should redirect to World War III. — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) 05:17, Jan. 23, 2006
  • Keep --Terence Ong 05:24, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep they featured John Hawken from The Strawbs therefor they automatically pass wiki/music or whatever it is. Jcuk 10:58, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep - not a vanity piece, seems to be a notable band - but move to Third World War (band) and disambiguate. Robin Johnson 10:54, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep, John Hawken's efforts are notable. --Squiddy | (squirt ink?) 11:20, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep expand and improve. See e.g. [1]. Influential as per the influenced (see above). "Possibly England's first punk rock band" see [2] - just a handful of links from page 1 of a Google search. And while it may not be an indicator of notability, Emule currently shows 4 users who are sharing the band's first album and 10 users sharing the World War Three II album. And, of course, they easily pass the - admittedly low - WP:Notability cutoff point of 5,000 albums sold. Both albums rereleased on one CD, see "This band are often cited as the forerunners of UK punk" [3]. Songs covered by Dana Gillespie [4] AvB ÷ talk 13:37, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep per reasons given by various. Mushintalk 13:31, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep per consensus. Jamyskis Whisper, Contribs Germany 14:01, 23 January 2006 (UTC)


  • Comment -- If a few of you will agree to make this into a real article, I'll be happy withdraw the nomination. If they are an important forerunner of punk, and if there are sources to prove this, then the article needs to stay. Jim62sch 14:57, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment: squibix has already offered, and I may pop my head in once in a while to see what I can contribute. Jamyskis Whisper, Contribs Germany 16:02, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment -- OK, I'll withdraw the nom, but, I's like to drop by from time to time to checl out how it's going. Hope I didn't offend anyone by AfD'ing it. I just hope we get a better article out of it. 71.242.5.11 19:30, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.