Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Theodore Washington Brevard
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Delete. I have counted the two keeps with less weight because we have never accepted things being named after people as notability, and there is no evidence that Brevard county was named after this Brevard. We certainly don't consider every public official as notable. N=V+RS+encyclopedic content.
[edit] Theodore Washington Brevard
Delete as per WP:BIO. His father may have sufficient notability to get an article on WP but he does not. Being the son of a famous father doesn't establish someone's notability (with some rare exception). -- Niaz(Talk • Contribs) 13:06, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Comment. The George Washington Brevard article (that Niaz links to as the father) is misnamed; the text is about a Theodore. There appears to be confusion about the names. This site describes Theodore Sr. as "register of the land office at Tallahassee, Fla., and Comptroller of Public Accounts for the state of Florida". His son, Theodore Jr., was a Brig. General in the Confederate Army.[1]. It looks like Theodore Jr. had a son named George. The Brevards apparently are mentioned in LeRoy Collins's Forerunners Courageous. Unfortunately, the book doesn't have an index, so it will take me a little while to see if there is enough there to use as a reference. Both Theodore Sr. and Theodore Jr. might be notable enough for their own articles, but I would like to find better sources. -- Donald Albury 14:32, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
- Furhter comment. The Collins book contains little beyond what I gave above, other than that Theodore Jr. served in the Florida Legislature. There was no George Brevard. I misread a chart; George Gwynn was Theodore Jr.'s son-in-law. Sources look to be pretty thin; the Brevards only made it into Collins's book because Collins's wife was the granddaughter of Theodore Jr. So, it remains the case that while Sr. and Jr. possibly both meet the notability criteria, reliable sources for anything more than sub-stubs may not be available. -- Donald Albury 15:42, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
- Comment: I really appreciate your effort, specially finding references and details about those two articles from books and off-line materials. As Google is not helping out here and I don't have enough access to off-line materials right now, it would be really nice if you take an initiative to improve those two articles, at least up to a certain class that establishes their notability. I think still both the articles are extremely confusing and they require an immediate cleanup. In the meanwhile I'll try with Google and if I find myself lucky enough, will be back with some references. -- Niaz(Talk • Contribs) 17:51, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
- Comment. I'm not sure it's worth the effort. I'm generally very "inclusionist" about historical figures and subjects, but the only off-line source I have at hand (the Collins book) is certainly not enough to hang an article on and, as you say, Google is no help. I do think the George Washington Brevard article has to go, as I see no evidence of a historical figure by that name. As for this article, I'll probably vote to delete if better sources aren't offered in the next day or so. If reliable sources supporting notability are found later, it can always be recreated. -- Donald Albury 18:48, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
- Comment: I really appreciate your effort, specially finding references and details about those two articles from books and off-line materials. As Google is not helping out here and I don't have enough access to off-line materials right now, it would be really nice if you take an initiative to improve those two articles, at least up to a certain class that establishes their notability. I think still both the articles are extremely confusing and they require an immediate cleanup. In the meanwhile I'll try with Google and if I find myself lucky enough, will be back with some references. -- Niaz(Talk • Contribs) 17:51, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
- Weak keep as the namesake of Brevard County, Florida and a former statewide official. I do have reservations; State Comptroller was an appointed position under the Governor's office, which in 1998 was combined with the elected position of State Treasurer to create the Chief Financial Officer of the State of Florida (what is it, a business now?). I think there's enough historical notability there, but just barely. Interesting that "George Washington Brevard" has spread (if we were the source) to reliable sources. It's also on other-language Wikipedias. --Dhartung | Talk 20:55, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
- Keep Theodore as namesake and official--George doesn't seem to exist (unless maybe it was a nickname or something). I've added refs that I could find online--probably more are available offline. Shawis (talk) 08:27, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 21:52, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
- Delete. As nobody has offered up any additional sourcing for this article, I'm coming down for deletion. We can't determine that someone is notable if there are no reliable sources to support notability. -- Donald Albury 16:52, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
