Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The house at riverton

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep There is no consensus here to move or redirect, but there is no ban on doing so as an editorial decision at any time. DES (talk) 05:28, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The House at Riverton

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This appears to be a non-notable book, by a previously unknown author, and essentially publisher's spam Grahamec 02:57, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete It does seem a little early, to list as notable a book that has barely appeared, if it is in the stores at all. Brianyoumans 03:08, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete not claim to fame... non notable... if it was a best seller or had a lot of pre-publicity energy...Balloonman 03:10, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Changing vote to keep and possibly rename as book appears to be best seller in australia per link below.Balloonman 20:13, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 08:09, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 08:09, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete as hoax and patent nonsense. --TWENCIL4 08:10, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, looks like a hoax.Weak Keep, based on research below. Lankiveil 03:54, 24 June 2007 (UTC). Kate Morton is a real Australian writer, but her debut (and by the looks of it only) novel is entitled "The Shifting Fog" ([1] [2]). By the plot summary, "The Shifting Fog" might be the same book as the one in this article, but it's hardly conclusive. Even if real, and looking past the fact that this article is under the wrong title, I'm not sure that the book is quite notable enough, yet. Lankiveil 10:00, 21 June 2007 (UTC).
Comment, on further inspection, it appears that they are the same book: [3]. Recommend that if the discussion finishes at anything other than "Delete" that the article at least be moved to the correct title. Lankiveil 10:05, 21 June 2007 (UTC).
  • note - at this point article was renamed from "The house at riverton" to "The House at Riverton".
  • Comment [4] [5] The book has two different titles, it seems - one published by Allen & Unwin (Shifting Fog) and the other by Pan MacMillan (The House at Riverton). The information about Richard and Judy is verified from the UK newspaper The Guardian. The author Kate Morton appears to be notable from The Courier-Mail, Sydney Morning Herald etc, however I'm not sure that her book actually meets the criteria, unless the Richard & Judy thing causes it to do so. I am not voting as I can't decide, but thought I'd present my findings. Have voted below. Orderinchaos 10:33, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Definitely not a hoax. Has ISBN number 0330448447. There seems to be a number of reviews in reliable Australian magazines which would make them notable. Assize 10:44, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment, there are two books by this name [6]. Assize, do you have links for those magazine articles? John Vandenberg 11:29, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
    • No unfortunately. I looked at her website at http://www.katemorton.com/default.asp?z=8 and got those usual puff piece reviews. One of them was the Womens Weekly. Anyway, the book looks significant as I assume that Richard and Judy is a TV show in the UK. Assize 04:24, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. per nom. Fails criteria in WP:BK.--Edtropolis 19:37, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Redirect seems to be the best solution to a second release under a new title of the previously released novel.Garrie 00:32, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep and Move to The Shifting Fog. There are 46 Google News Archives hits for it [7] including this [8] that states it has been a bestseller in Australia and been sold in 13 countries. Capitalistroadster 03:17, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per Capitalistroadster. John Vandenberg 04:18, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Channel 4 is a major British TV channel, it has been featured on a show there, so that is some kind of notability. Others have cited other instance of it being noted. If it is a re-release of a previous title for which an article already exists, then Redirect. Hu 19:50, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep and move to The Shifting Fog per Capitalistroadster and others. Orderinchaos 05:35, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep and expand with properly sourced information. It's a new book - apparently just came out a week or two ago. Search hits at booksellers (eg: Amazon.com) and reviews (here). ISBN = 0330448447 / 978-0330448444. Article seems to shows promise for improvements. Seems premature to nominate for deletion at this point. Perhaps if the book flops and proves non-notable, and nobody even attempts to improve the article, then re-submit for deletion. Patience is a virtue. --T-dot ( Talk/contribs ) 13:06, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
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