Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Zone (TV series)

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The result was No consensus, defaulting to keep. --Polaron | Talk 19:03, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Zone (TV series)

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AfD tag added by anon with no reasoning; however, I can work it out - a two-sentence article on a filler TV phone-in show that ran for about 2 weeks on a now-defunct digital channel does not notability make. ➔ REDVEЯS likes kittens... and you 15:12, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

• Delete. No showing of notability, no indication that the show will return, and there doesn't seem to any way to expand this significantly. Xymmax (talk) 16:24, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

• Keep aren't television shows inherently notable? I've seen articles about failed American sitcoms that didn't clear 2 episodes. Shiva_eVolved 16:59, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

CommentI believe that they have to follow the same notability guidelines as everything else, it's just that historically it's been such a big production to put a program on the air that there's no problem with secondary sources. The problem I have here is the "nontrivial mention" part for this one. Xymmax (talk) 17:42, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Maybe its not correct via precise policy, but I have a gut feeling that any such TV development that existed, be it a place-filler, merits a stub. This is especially as ITV is a major company and the "ITV Play" channel experiment can be a significant part of ITV history. Shiva_eVolved 19:28, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Comment In 50 years of ITV history, the Play sub-brand is a footnote. Leaving that aside, the entire article is replicated in the list of ITV Play programmes in the ITV Play article. It existed for 2 weeks (although the end date is speculation - it ended with ITV Play at the very least, but there are no sources shown to say it didn't end before then because nobody at the time noticed). This was a "one person [redlinked, BTW] in front of a camera calling for viewers to phone in to guess answers" "programme" that lasted, at most, 16 days. It isn't even a programme - just a method of filling space on a dying channel deep down the EPG. On that basis I'm notable, having had more exposure to more people than this programme ever did. ➔ REDVEЯS likes kittens... and you 20:29, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I have to disagree - maybe the Play sub-brand's failure is what perhaps makes it significant in ITV history. There's this other way to look at it, which is why I'm playing the devil's advocate here. Shiva_eVolved 03:23, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

To be sure, I don't mind this article being deleted - whatever results from this discussion will be a good decision. I'm throwing this bit out here b'coz there is a different way to look at it. Shiva_eVolved 03:25, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

• Delete. The show was not very popular (as with some ITV Play shows). Thought the show would have grown, but it didn't, I think it's best to have a small piece about it on the ITV Play article. --AxG ^{@ ►talk} 22:42, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep given the demographics of ITV Play (channel) I should think that this show carries some sort of historic notability Coccyx Bloccyx (talk) 00:08, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. The program may have been a failure, but it was a notable one. (jarbarf) (talk) 00:09, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.