Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Wonder Girls
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus. Daniel Bryant 07:00, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] The Wonder Girls
The creator of the article has removed three times, without comment, notability and reference tags. There are no sources for any of the information in the article. Fails WP:ATT and possibly fails WP:MUSIC. janejellyroll 04:28, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- Speedy delete. Wonder Girls was already prod'd. -- TedFrank 04:35, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- The proposed deletion of an article can be contested at any time, even after it has been deleted. Unless the article was previously AfD'd or speedy-deleted, it can not be deleted as a "recreation" (assuming, in fact, this is an identical recreation). -- Black Falcon 03:20, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
- Keep Korean name 원더걸스 has 749,000 GHits with independent media coverage like [1] clearly visible in the first page of results. --cab 04:37, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- Delete nn notable, couldn't find much on Google.--Paloma Walker 20:00, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- Keep as per Paloma Walker. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Xanucia (talk • contribs) 23:07, 18 March 2007 (UTC).
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Korea-related deletions. -- cab 02:37, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per Paloma Walker StuartDouglas 14:27, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
- As noted above and ignored by User:Paloma Walker, there are three-quarters of a million Google hits in Korean, including a large variety of reliable sources, three of which (representing coverage in two different countries) I had already added to the article shortly after I made my comment above (thus meeting WP:N). cab 14:44, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
- I see the links, but as they are in Korean and Chinese they could be about pretty much anything and the sites could be utterly non-notable in themselves (the two I looked at look like MySpace style pages to me). In the absence of verifiable links, I still say Delete I'm afraid. StuartDouglas 15:08, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
- No, Joongang Ilbo is one of the three largest newspapers in Korea. Your inability to read the facts it publishes is not a reason for deletion. If you really distrust what I'm saying and think the links "could be about anything", you are welcome request to the relevant WikiProjects to confirm that these articles in fact say what I have cited them to say. cab 15:25, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
- I don't distrust what you're saying (and never said that I did so please do not put words in my mouth), but people differ on what amounts to a reasonable secondary source - and the pages I looked at seemed to me to resemble kid's MySpace pages. As for inability to read the facts it publishes - well that's an essay not a policy or guideline (and I'm not entirely sure how it even applies here) and I personally think it's for you to demonstrate notability which, thus far, you haven't. StuartDouglas 15:54, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
- You are welcome to your opinions about the web design skills of Korean newspaper editors (which I share), but given that you freely admit you can't read them in the first place, I'd have to question your qualification to judge what constitutes a reliable source in this case. We judge what is a reliable source based on their editorial policy, not on superficial impressions of having too many Flash ads on their site. cab 16:13, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
- You seem to be taking this personally, which I hope is not the case as I have based my opinion on the evidence on the article page - three unreadable sources (again, it is your job to convince other editors of the band's notability so I suggest you find English language sources for the band's notability). To be honest though, even if the sections you mention were in English, I think the band would still fail on notability since all it says in the article is that the band were formed and then signed to a record label. Hundreds of bands do the same thing every year, without being in any way notable. (wholly unrelatedly, how can the title track to an album have a different name to the album itself?) StuartDouglas 16:22, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
- You are welcome to your opinions about the web design skills of Korean newspaper editors (which I share), but given that you freely admit you can't read them in the first place, I'd have to question your qualification to judge what constitutes a reliable source in this case. We judge what is a reliable source based on their editorial policy, not on superficial impressions of having too many Flash ads on their site. cab 16:13, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
- I don't distrust what you're saying (and never said that I did so please do not put words in my mouth), but people differ on what amounts to a reasonable secondary source - and the pages I looked at seemed to me to resemble kid's MySpace pages. As for inability to read the facts it publishes - well that's an essay not a policy or guideline (and I'm not entirely sure how it even applies here) and I personally think it's for you to demonstrate notability which, thus far, you haven't. StuartDouglas 15:54, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
- No, Joongang Ilbo is one of the three largest newspapers in Korea. Your inability to read the facts it publishes is not a reason for deletion. If you really distrust what I'm saying and think the links "could be about anything", you are welcome request to the relevant WikiProjects to confirm that these articles in fact say what I have cited them to say. cab 15:25, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
- I see the links, but as they are in Korean and Chinese they could be about pretty much anything and the sites could be utterly non-notable in themselves (the two I looked at look like MySpace style pages to me). In the absence of verifiable links, I still say Delete I'm afraid. StuartDouglas 15:08, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
- As noted above and ignored by User:Paloma Walker, there are three-quarters of a million Google hits in Korean, including a large variety of reliable sources, three of which (representing coverage in two different countries) I had already added to the article shortly after I made my comment above (thus meeting WP:N). cab 14:44, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
- Keep Two of the references are somewhat reliable sources in Korean (one is a news site operated by a large web portal, while the other is a sports newspaper operated by the same company that runs a mainstream newspaper). Both of them are non-trivial mentions, where one talks about an all-male fan club for the group, while the other talks about the recovery of a member from a hospital stay. I have no idea what the Chinese page says. Kiersta 23:41, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
- Keep per the improvements to the article since it was nominated for AFD, including the addition of sources to establish notability (see diff). The inability of some editors (including myself) to comprehend Korean-language sources has no impact on the notability or lack thereof of topics. -- Black Falcon 03:18, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
