Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Vital Might

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The result was Delete - WP:COI and non notable. Aquarius • talk 04:54, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Vital Might

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Article was previously speedied as A7; after a discussion on my talkpage, the article's creator showed me that they were in the top 8 in a contest sponsored by Ralph Lauren. However, I'm not sure if this is notable enough for WP:MUSIC. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 17:45, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

The contest was sponsored by Ralph Lauren AND Atlantic Records.

Furthermore, we discussed that being selected to perform and compete in the WBCN Rock & Roll Rumble was tantamount to receiving an award, therefore establishing notability. Hundreds of bands each year hope to be selected and only 24 are selected per year.

Also, after reviewing The notability criteria for bands article, here are more assertions of notability. Although these weren't initially used to assert notability, they can and will be added if the article is published.
- Guest musician on album: Dana Colley of Morphine
- The Vital Might completed national tour, spanned 6 weeks and 15 states of the US. Tour schedule: http://www.sonicbids.com/thevitalmight
- Non-trivial Press:
Worcester Telegram & Gazette - March 2007, Scott McLennan - Review of Obsidian (prior to interview): http://wtedit.us.publicus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070225/COLUMN14/70302006
The Hippo - December 2006 Eric W. Saeger - Review of Obsidian: http://www.hippopress.com/music/Vital%20Might.html
The Noise - December 2006 - Review of Obsidian: http://www.thevitalmight.com/press.html
Aquarian Magazine - March 2007 - Review of Obsidian before show announcement

Thanks, Thevitalmight 20:26, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. Review in The Noise (which is the only non-trivial publication cited above) is all well and good (although the link is not as it goes to the band's website), but as WP:Music states a band needs to have more than just one bit of coverage to be notable. As this band already has an album out I would expect (for notability) to see lots of reviews all over the press and the web, chart positions on nationally recognised charts and (above all) I would expect to be able to buy it from Amazon (at the very least). As non of these are the case, I am not satisfied that this band is notable enough for inclusion. A1octopus 12:55, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
• Comment - Very well, noted that it is available on Amazon (although not, apparently, on a standard search for either "Vital Might" or "Obsidian"). Also noted sales rank is very low but my vote is now changed to Weak Delete for all the other reasons stated above. A1octopus 21:31, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

• Correction to above Standard search for "Vital Might" returns Obsidian as the 2nd item returned. On a search in Music for "Obsidian", Obsidian is returned as 3rd item.Thevitalmight 02:40, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

The album is for sale at Amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/Obsidian-Vital-Might/dp/B000JFZ7C2/ref=sr_1_2/104-8079984-1813525?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1179335160&sr=8-2

It is also available at: iTunes, Rhapsody, Napster, SnoCap, and several other digital distributors

The Hippo, The Noise, Aquarian, and Worcester Telegram & Gazette are more than one bit of publicity/reviews.

Further press: - Northeaster Performer Magazine - February 2007 - http://www.performermag.com/nep.recordedreviews.0702.php

- Boston Herald - December 2006 - http://theedge.bostonherald.com/musicNews/view.bg?articleid=172085

- Boston Globe Sidekick section - December 2006 - Photo and blurb about CD release

- Boston Phoenix - September 2006 - Blurb

- Bostonist.com - December 2006 - CD release coverage

Another detail that might help towards proving notability: The Vital Might is endorsed by Gallien-Krueger amplifiers and Silverfox Percussion Thevitalmight 17:42, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

• delete as non-notable. Most of the press listed is regional (Boston/Worcester) and therefore trivial, since any musician can get written up in local/regional press with a little understanding of promotion - I have, myself. In fact, booking agents require you to get press, or they won't hire you back. Also, some regional press outlets will simply run whatever copy you send them. I don't think Wikipedia should ever accept regional press as counting towards a band's notability. Their first release was indie, which in itself is insufficient for notability. Being in a contest is not sufficient for notability. BTW, I've been arguing to anyone who'll listen that notability, for a band, should require significant non-trivial press coverage, specifically in some form of national press (incl. notable specialty/genre-specific press), and specifically in press that has not been tarnished by pay-to-print scandals. Otherwise, my own band would get a page here, and that's a travesty. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 01:51, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.