Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Vaginals

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 07:36, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Vaginals

Non-notable band, no hits on AllMusic Guide, no hits on Amazon.com, or Amazon.co.uk. Speedy and prod removed by author Wildthing61476 14:48, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

A "prominent representative" of the melbourne ska scene is hardly likely to show up on Amazon
  • Comment. I think that speedies can be restored if the author removes them. Prod tags, however, cannot. I still think this should be Speedily deleted, per CSD A7. I also want to make the rule that if a band's only website is on MySpace, their article should be deleted immediately. -- Merope 14:52, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
  • As far as I know, having a page on Myspace isn't listed anywhere on WP:BAND. Judge articles on their own merits (or lack thereof), not some arbitrary and irrelevant litmus test about the subject matter. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 16:07, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Their only webpage isnt their myspace. They have another one. I'll list it now. P.S. how are they an "unremarkable band"? they had quite a lot of fans, should only HUGE bands be on wikipedia?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Schmoo101 (talk • contribs)

Please read WP's policies concerning notability of musicians. -- Merope 14:59, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

"Has become the most prominent representative of a notable style or the local scene of a city (or both, as in British hip hop); note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability."

I believe there would be a large amount of people who would claim that The Vaginals were the best Melbourne ska band ever. And i'm not just saying that because they are a band I like. They had a huge (almost cult) following, and revived the melbourne ska scene.

If you can verify this claim (which the text you quoted insists upon), I'll reconsider it. Also, please sign your name when leaving comments by using four tildes (~). -- Merope 15:09, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I will attempt to verify it. How would you suggest I go about this? (ie. what would be adequate verification?)Schmoo101 15:11, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Start by reading this. -- Merope 15:12, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Ok, well the text comes from their official MySpace site, which is operated by the band, so surely that doesn't need further verification? But how do I verify that they fulfil that point that I quoted?Schmoo101 15:16, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Comment: MySpace, blogs, and messageboards are not acceptable sources by Wikipedia standards. Srose (talk) 15:18, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
What if I can verify that the text was written by a representative of the band?Schmoo101 15:20, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Text written by the band saying that they are representative of the Melbourne ska scene would not qualify as an acceptable source. Please read the links we've provided. -- Merope 15:21, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

While the band doesn't have any hits on AllMusicGuide, a lot of genuine underground bands won't. Melbourne is often considered the world capital of live music, and DIY bands such as The Vaginals are a large part of creating this reputation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.107.241.17 (talk • contribs)

They have released a CD. They released a split EP with another melbourne ska band The Knockabouts, shortly before they broke up.Schmoo101 15:19, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete reluctantly - no references, unverifiable. We have standards, and this article doesn't meet them. Baseball,Baby! balls•strikes 15:22, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Here is a link to the online store that their CD is being sold in: [1], does that help at all?Schmoo101 15:24, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Please take a look at the following requirements for a band (emphasis is mine; taken from WP:BAND which I don't think you've looked at yet):
  • Has had a charted hit on any national music chart, in at least one large or medium-sized country
  • Has had a record certified gold or higher in at least one large or medium-sized country.
  • Has gone on an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one large or medium-sized country, reported in notable and verifiable sources.
  • Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable).
  • Has been featured in multiple non-trivial published works in reliable and reputable media (excludes things like school newspapers, personal blogs, etc...).
  • Contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise notable; note that it is often most appropriate to use redirects in place of articles on side projects, early bands and such.
  • Has won a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno or Mercury Music Award.
  • Has won or placed in a major music competition.
  • Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show. (But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that page.)
  • Has been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio network.
  • Has been the subject of a half hour or longer broadcast on a national radio network.
I don't think your band meets any of those requirements. Srose (talk) 17:18, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete — fails WP:BAND this one time... in band camp... :) American Patriot 1776 18:52, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete, no evidence that subject meets WP:MUSIC. --Kinu t/c 21:29, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
  • No vote. The content is a bit over the top, but the numerous references to WP:BAND are assuming that this guideline is policy. Sometimes a group can be notable without participating in the record business, and these guys at least have performed widely enough to be well-known in Melbourne. If they had performed in other cities to such an extent, I would be saying keep. Deco 22:28, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
The toured NSW at one stage.203.214.100.175 06:15, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Ignoring WP:MUSIC, they fail WP:V. Is that more to your liking? WilyD 01:22, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per above. --Joelmills 23:00, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. There have only been a couple of mentions of this group. The Melbourne Age reported "The Gingers - Nellie Jackson, Chelsea Wheatley (no relation to Glenn) and Etta Curry - hope to release an EP by year's end and were slated to play an allages gig at Pony yesterday alongside Yidcore, Bagster and a group called the Vaginals." They were also listed in a Melbourne gig guide. They don't meet any of the criteria in WP:MUSIC and we can't verify much beyond that they were a Melbourne band. Capitalistroadster 03:46, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions. -- Capitalistroadster 03:48, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete as per above -- | Shishir Rane | talk | 05:52, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per above Rafy 16:44, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.