Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Ultimate, Ultimate Challenge

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was ultimate, ultimate delete. --Coredesat 04:43, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Ultimate, Ultimate Challenge

"A one-hour pilot will be shot in late summer 2005" (note future tense) for this top-secret reality show. Nothing with this title or featuring this cast has aired on American TV. Link to official website is dead. See identical article The ultimate, ultimate challenge. Andrew Levine 18:00, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

• Delete. No information available. No information has been added to the page since its creation on August 17, 2005. No information available on IMDB. “Official” website is dead. The whole thing could very well be a hoax. ●DanMS 18:07, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Note: I redirected The ultimate, ultimate challenge here since it was a duplicate page. If this page gets deleted, the closing admin should also delete the above. ●DanMS 18:13, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Note my comments below in my vote, this is not a hoax (rather a failed attempted at producing a TV show that got as far as making a Pilot and the story of it was later told in a film that was produced). Mathmo ^Talk 10:17, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

• Delete (or speedy). This is obviously inaccurate at this point, and keeping it, even for five days, will serve no purpose. --N Shar 19:08, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Note my comments below, and I have made basic fixing to the article so that it is nolonger quite so out of date. Mathmo ^Talk 10:17, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - out of date, unverifiable; if it was never screened then it isn't notable either. Walton monarchist89 19:44, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
  • if it was never screened then it isn't notable either. Well, I disagree with this part at least; depending on the cast and crew attached to a particular planned show, or if it excited some controversy which led to it being pulled, it may be notable despite never coming to air. See Star Trek: Phase II, Mr. Dugan, and Welcome to the Neighborhood (TV series) for examples. If this article had not been a hoax, and a high-budget reality show was produced and filmed but for whatever reason never aired, that alone might make it notable. Andrew Levine 01:34, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
    • I agree, see my vote below. Mathmo ^Talk 10:08, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
• Keep, was originally thinking delete after looking at the article and reading the votes. However thanks to then digging around I'm now leaning towards keep. First of all I saw this press release. Ok I went, that is interesting. But is just a press release, so still no reason to keep. But then I saw this coverage. [1] [2] plus another press release [3] I decided the topic is worth keeping. And this is just from the first two pages of google results, am sure looking through the rest of the pages and also trying this search can only yield yet more information. Alternatively I would strongly support anybody writing American Cannibal: The Road to Reality and merging (and re-directing) whatever content there is into that. Mathmo ^Talk 10:08, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Made a very very basic tidying up of the article, mainly fixing tenses and updating/correcting details a little bit. Mathmo ^Talk 10:14, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, Quarl ^(talk) 11:41, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

• Delete. I'm completely confused by this article. Is this series coming up soon? Is it not? Is it a failed pilot? How can something be notable if no details are released except the name? The only sources in the article are a dead site and an empty IMDB page. I might change my mind if I knew exactly what it was I was reading about. --UsaSatsui 21:54, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Read my comments on this AfD. Some of the tenses are slightly wrong in the article, though I mostly fixed that. Mathmo ^Talk 03:15, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
    • Oh, and just now fixed up a couple of th links. Mathmo ^Talk 03:20, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
• Delete There's no need to start making articles to tell us that no details are available about a project. GassyGuy 23:40, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 08:28, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

• Relisting comment: The article was expanded with sources during this AfD, so the first three comments would appear to no longer apply. Sandstein 08:28, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
• Where to start? In media res, I suppose. Mathmo tried to wave the red flag but nobody paid attention. Let me endorse a move to American Cannibal: The Road to Reality. From what I can make out this is a Blair Witch Project for grown-ups, or something. It's a documentary about a reality show that couldn't happen (what lawyer would sign off on starving people to death?). Yet everyone in it -- playing themselves, as writers, producers, or actors -- somehow keeps a straight face. Or maybe some of them really believed.... Here's the trailer, AICN, EW, Tribeca Film Fest, Variety, and for good measure, the IMDB trivia page. (I'm not trying to assert notability here, I'm trying to let you get a handle on this.) The HuffPo wrote,

But one can't help but wonder how both sides played each other in this reality show within a reality show about a doomed reality TV production. The drama between Blatt and the filmmakers seems as creatively concocted and surreal as "The Ultimate, Ultimate Challenge," the reality show chronicled in the movie. Both crafted for maximum benefit.

I think that sums it up. It's a hoax (at least the part that this article plays). On the other hand, it's a real hoax. Who knows if the blood was real? Seems if it were people would be facing federal prison. --Dhartung | Talk 09:00, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, Can't sleep, clown will eat me 05:56, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

• Delete Possible redirect to the Cannibal one. Is the claim to notibility that it was never released, riiiiight? 'sources' are trivial mentions at best, none are exclusively about the show, the other is a self advertisement. Despite the sources being added there is still no shown notibility for this series.--Dacium 07:11, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

• Comment, how many more times is this going to be relisted "so that consensus may be reached"?? If this is so after so many times I'd have thought surely it ought to be closed as no consensus. Mathmo ^Talk 08:30, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

There was not 'no conesus', the consensus was nullified from the updates to the article, thus relisting was required.--Dacium 08:35, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

• Comment American Cannibal will have a limited US theater release beginning March 16, 2007. Either we redirect this to that article name now, or it will probably be created anyway. --Dhartung | Talk 18:06, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

• Delete - the addition of references still fail WP:V for me. They are mentions of the show without providing any real information. -- Whpq 20:01, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

• Delete - There's almost no substance to the article, in a few year either no one will care and it will have to be deleted or it will have been screened and have to be completely rewritten - articles based only on speculation aren't in themselves encylopedic, only actual discussion about the speculation is sourceable information Mike 16:02, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.