Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Storm (2nd)

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The result was delete. --Coredesat 05:39, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Storm

The Storm (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) - (View log)

non-notable organization, fails WP:V, the orgs website link leads to a domain parking site, kept in a previous AfD, but I'm not sure why... Tunnels of Set 13:59, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

• Delete Sorry, but previous Afd closure wasn't right. People cited some odd sources to support a keep and apparently this was enough to produce a no consensus result. Sources produced to verify the article were 1) An article by an author whose article has been subject to an deletion-protection action[1] hosted on now-defunct "Catholic Revolution" website which also reprinted a Nazi-era German article on the history of "Jewish Ritual Murder"[2] as well as an older article about "The Jewish Conspiracy to Enslave non-Jews"[3]; 2) A link to a personal website[4] with summary/reviews of a book by the purported founders of this purported organization - the summary/reviews do not even clearly assert that the specific organization named The Storm existed/exists. 3) an essay on the Storm organization's website itself[5], which a keep !voter remarked "had enough details to convince me it's not a joke." Great that he thought that, but that doesn't make this an reliable, independent, verifiable source. I'm going to do a research run for better evidence, but this isn't looking good. Bwithh 14:34, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Okay, so the Catholic Revolution hosted article by William H. Kennedy which was so persuasive in the first afd would seem to be a summary of a self-published book by Kennedy. He is a self-publishing Satanic Conspiracy Theorist who isn't afraid to ask the urgent questions that must be answered like (I quote) "Is George W. Bush the grandson of Aleister Crowley? and urges: "A member of the Bush Family and a descendant of Aleister Crowley should take a DNA test to set the record straight!"[6] (his evidence is a ridiculous-scandal-mongering blog entry by some other random satanic conspiracy guy who concludes "I leave the matter for the reader to decide.") Bwithh 14:44, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I think the Zeena Schreck article could do with some checking out too, as its mainly sourced from the Storm website, and a book she wrote herself Bwithh 14:49, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Zero hits for "Zeena Schreck" + "storm" on Factiva, Google Books[7] Bwithh 15:16, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

• Delete This still fails WP:V. I would like to see this addressed, as last time most of the keep opinions argued on notability grounds and just sorta sidestepped this issue. GassyGuy 05:39, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete It isn't notable. Zeena is notable maybe, but her organization barely makes a blip on any radars. I had never heard of it until I came to Wikipedia really. I've never heard of it anywhere. It's websites seems to be a ghost really, there but not really active. I don't see any updates. Keep mention of the Storm (and a link) on Zeena's page of course, but keep the actual Storm article? No WerewolfSatanist 21:51, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.