Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Stethoscope

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. Neutrality^talk 15:57, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The Stethoscope

• Delete Does this belong in the UoT article? No. Does it belong in a new article, "Student organizations of University of Toronto"?Ashibaka (tock) 02:27, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Given that the usual bar for a student group at a university is "5 to 10 people want to make a group", with the occasional condition of "the group is not a porn studio", the notability bar for such groups is a good bit higher than we have a board of directors. — Lomn | Talk / RfC 02:38, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
• Dont Delete We have over 750 undergraduate and graduate members at the University of Toronto St George Campus (the largest life sci student organization in Canada's largest university) , the article sure does need cleaning up but we dont understand why we cant have a wikipedia entry while obscure geek science fiction topics are allowed in. Just look at our website to see that we are a legitimate organization whose membership base exceeds the life sci student enrolment at many universities in the world - Stethoscope Member (who just started using the edit button so i dont know how to add the fancy tags) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.30.120.30 (talk • contribs) 13:06, 19 September 2005}
• Delete completely nn. — Phil Welch 02:44, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
• Merge with a greater UoT article if possible, otherwise keep, and give the anon a supply of tissues. Mate, keeping or deleting an article is not an insult to whatever the article's about. I'm not notable, and it doesn't bother me in the slightest ;-) --fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 03:16, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep: Student organizations are a dime a dozen, but 750 members at Canada's largest university. Sounds like a (marginal, maybe) keeper to me. — Cory Maylett 03:22, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
• Comment.I would vote to Keep if this level of membership could be verified or proof of expansion to other campuses could be provided. I would otherwise vote to merge with a Student organizations at the University of Toronto or similar article as there is verifiable evidence of its existence see [1]. Capitalistroadster 03:28, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Welcome, Stethoscope Member to Wikipedia. Capitalistroadster 03:29, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as non-notable. For what it's worth, I don't think a lot of the obscure geek science fiction topics are notable either, but they have a dedicated sockpuppet fan base to come on and vote for their junk. —Cleared as filed. 03:52, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep I am another stethoscope member, and all I can say is please examine the merits of the organization by looking at the website, rather than listening to people whose only comment is "non notable" without explaining why it is non notable, considering the size of the organization and their lack of familiarity with even the university of toronto. If all it takes is a sockpuppet fan base to flood this with keep votes, then we can easily get dozens of members to put down some sort of comment on why this should be kept. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.100.90.251 (talk • contribs)
• Delete. Unregistered users are not eligible to vote, nor are sockpuppets. Andrew pmk | Talk 21:45, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
  • That's not really true. The policy is that unregistered and anonymous contributers MAY weigh in on the discussion. All comments should address the issue in regard to Wikipedia's deletion policy and the administrator who closes the discussion is free to disregard votes that appear to have been made without regard to policy, by apparent sockpuppets or meatpuppets, or otherwise in bad faith. Dystopos 01:06, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Non-notable student organization. Andrew pmk | Talk 00:43, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Proposal: student organizations must be more than, let's see, 5 years old to qualify as notable on their own accord. Bunchofgrapes 22:49, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Comment. I don't think the fact that a student organization has been around 5 years is enough to qualify as notable either. —Cleared as filed. 00:33, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Agreed. But certainly the recent formation of this one doesn't help here. Bunchofgrapes 02:25, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

• Delete. --Image:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy 00:07, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Most student organizations that exist at only one university are non-notable. Lots of universities have pre-medical (pre-dental, etc.) organizations, and that's a popular career choice among college students, so it doesn't surprise me that this organization could have 750 members at a campus with about 50,000 undergraduates. However, if this becomes a national pre-med organization, it would probably be notable enough to qualify for Wikipedia in my opinion. --Metropolitan90 01:25, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep the organization appears to have footing.DannyZz 00:24, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep I am also a Stethoscope member, and we certainly have a lot of footing. We have high profile events and last year in our inaugural year we actually had Tak Mak and the federal minister of public health come and give a talk, and this year the chief medical officer for Toronto is apparently coming as well. If we are some nonsense non notable club with 7-10 members would those high profile personalities actually take the time to go? De Lovely 18:03, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment: The Stethoscope could be, and apparently is, completely legitimate and worthwhile for its members without warranting having a Wikipedia article about it. I don't consider it nonsense, but that doesn't mean it's notable. --Metropolitan90 01:38, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
    • Comment: Since Wikipedia contains extensive articles on every Pokemon character and video game in existence (not to mention its growing library of porn star bios), I believe the bar is sufficiently low enough to enable a good-sized academic organization at a major institution of higher learning to easily meet the entry qualifications. I'm not defending dumbing down Wikipedia (in fact, I'm quite opposed to it), but I am saying that an even and consistent set of criteria should apply. If we allow cartoon characters to have their own articles, but deny them to college organizations, we've taken one more step down the road to Wikipedia becoming little more than a repository of insignificant, pop-culture trivia. — C Maylett 17:18, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
      • Comment: Maybe we should do the appropriate thing and list all of those insignificant cartoon characters for deletion instead? —Cleared as filed. 10:55, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
      • Comment: We can't plausibly use the same standards in determining whether Pokemon characters, porn stars, and student organizations are worthy of Wikipedia entries; neither Pikachu nor the Stethoscope has ever won an Adult Video News Award. I don't believe there are any official guidelines about student organizations having Wikipedia entries, but I think most of those I have seen on AfD have failed their votes and been deleted. If you can find precedents in your favor among other student organizations, I would take those into consideration. --Metropolitan90 00:41, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. The organization may merit a mention at Faculty of Medicine, U of T (which, by the way, should be renamed, cleaned up and expanded). The contents are unencyclopedic trivia. Dystopos 16:00, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep I am also a member and it seems valid to be here when compared to some of the stuff that other people who want to delete it have talked about like obscure anime topic. <--- seems like some comment made by another stethoscope member who didnt know how to use wikipedia, i edited it so it doesnt get unfairly attributed to the danny person above 70.30.120.30 13:47, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

• Delete What does the group actually do? Pilatus 10:57, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
• Comment: For keeping I am the first stethoscope member who posted above, i made an account but i forgot my log on name so i am signing off with my ip. Someone mentioned student organizations that have been kept, here is one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_Sigma_Phi_Philippines . As far as it seems it doesnt have the same scope as our organization since it comes from two small second rate provincial universities in the philippines. They are a considerably older organization, but is age really the matter for notability, or is it the relevance of the organization to an x number of people? We make no financial gain out of having the stethoscope on wikipedia, since our membership is free and open to all, and we even have logged europeans and australians visiting and returning to our website on a regular basis looking for information on the health care professions admissions criteria in canada. This entire article will probably be deleted, but you people who consider yourselves as guardians of wikipedia should really get priorities straight if the message you are sending is that a pokemon character or 60's porn star has more notability than an organization involved in helping the next generation of a first world country's health care profession. 70.30.120.30 13:38, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.