Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Scene That Celebrates Itself

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep; (also included discussion at Talk:Shoegazing in this decision.) JERRY talk contribs 03:00, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Scene That Celebrates Itself

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This article need not exist. It's just a journalistic reference to 'shoegazing'. Despite this, people have not explained why this should not be merged and redirected into that article. What stand-alone notability does this term have? I've tried redirecting it, but I got reverted so brought here for further discussion of whether this is worth an encyclopedia article. h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 14:33, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

  • The term itself is notable, but only in the context of the shoegazing scene; accordingly, I recommend a merge to shoegazing. -- The Anome (talk) 14:36, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge to Shoegazing. This is a tough call. The references sited don't do a terribly good job of establishing the term as being used signifigantly outside of shoegazing, and a Google search seems to support this. Still, arguments are given on the Shoegazing talk page that it is not fully a subset of shoegazing. Perhaps some of the information could be merged into a more generic superset article, on the order of indie rock or something, I'm really not sure. -Verdatum (talk) 16:05, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
  • merge and redirect to shoegazing Doc Strange (talk) 19:25, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. This was discussed on the Shoegazing talk page and consensus was to keep 2 separate articles, so the redirect was reverted in keeping with consensus. The Scene That Celebrates Itself was not just another name for Shoegazing, despite the usage that has arisen since. Since several of the bands labelled as being in The Scene That Celebrates Itself were not by any stretch of the imagination Shoegazing bands, merging into the Shoegazing article makes no sense whatsoever.--Michig (talk) 20:17, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep The nomination states that it is just a journalistic reference to shoegazing. That is not true, summarizing this discussion. -- Pepve (talk) 22:20, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep It is not synonymous with the shoegazing genre. As discussed in the John Harris book Britpop!: Cool Britannia and the Spectacular Demise of English Rock (2004), the term was applied to bands that socialized at the Syndrome club in London. Among these band were definitely some shoegaze groups (Lush, Chapterhouse, Slowdive) but also the likes of Blur, the Senseless Things, the House of Love, Five Thirty, and others. Melody Maker was mocking the smugness of the London indie scene in general at the time with the name. WesleyDodds (talk) 03:51, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.