Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Scary Guy

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Sr13 07:23, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Scary Guy

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I speedy deleted this as blatant advertising under WP:CSD#G11 because there's nothing biographical in it – no real name, no educational preparation, no life story, nothing but 'watch him here', 'watch him there', 'buy his book', 'buy his programs'. That may sound harsh, but I don't know how else to put it. I've never heard of the guy. Afterward, I was asked to restore the page and list it here instead, so I am. I defer to others to judge its encyclopedic value. KrakatoaKatie 19:47, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

  • Keep but massively, massively cleanup this page. He's certainly meet the criteria to be notable, being interviewed around the world by various news organizations. The page as it stands now however is nothing more than an advert and dramatically needs to be cleaned. Wildthing61476 19:49, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - As per nom. Fails to meet criteria of WP:Notability. Not only it doesn't have notability, it's a blatant ad.--Edtropolis 20:00, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete considering the content and the fact that it was primarily edited by Thescary1, it is a pretty blatant advertisement. IrishGuy talk 20:02, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
  • It's definitely a blatant ad, but he does seem to have a fair amount of coverage - though I think the cleanup to remove the promo would probably leave us with "The Scary Guy is." Delete until more good sources are available. Tony Fox (arf!) review? 20:06, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
With regards to new info below, I'd be happier if I could actually read those articles and judge if they're actually of substance, but it looks like there are sources there to work with. Weak keep instead. (And obviously my google-fu was weak today too.) Tony Fox (arf!) review? 23:01, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - Topic has enough Wikipedia reliable sources to meet WP:N. This AFD might serve as a good wake up to those interested in the article to add in-line citations. If they are not included in a month or two, then AfD#2 might be appropriate. Until then, I say give it a chance. Here are some sources found via a quick search. I know there are many more, but these all mention his 1998 name change:
    • Scary guy's message on self-respect. Torquay Herald Express (4/24/07)
    • Learning to live in peace and harmony the Scary Guy way. Liverpool Echo (UK) (3/19/07)
    • Das schreckliche Gesicht der Liebe "Einer wie ich ist in den Augen der Leute ein Verrückter" - ein Tätowierter namens The Scary Guy kämpft gegen Gewalt und Intoleranz. Sueddeutsche Zeitung (Germany) (8/3/06)
    • Scary Guy Not Answer To Problems. ThisisLancashire.co.uk (12/15/05)
    • The Scary Guy beats bullies with love, peace and understanding. Times (UK) (11/18/05)
    • No need to be scared of the Scary Guy! Harrogate advertiser. (10/28/05)
    • A 'Scary Guy' who wants us all to hug. Northern Echo (UK) (10/11/05)
    • Scary Guy's Mission To Bring Peace. ThisisTheNorthEast.co.uk (6/8/05)
    • Scary Guy on loose. Daily Star (UK) (4/28/05)
    • A scary guy who's not so scary afterall. West Briton (Truro, UK) (3/31/05)
    • Scary guy carries friendship message. Aberdeen Press & Journal. (12/4/04)
    • Scary Guy visits Alford. Aberdeen Press & Journal. (12/1/04)
    • Not so scary guy. Newcastle Evening Chronicle. (11/18/04)
    • Scary guy helps fight the bullies. Liverpool Echo (UK) (5/1/04)

-- Jreferee (Talk) 20:37, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

  • Comment - I've removed a lot of the adverspamcruft, though the article still needs a lot of work. Rklawton 21:00, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Yes, it needs to be cleaned up. There was no intention to self promote – lack of awareness of New Users to Wikipedia. KRAKATOAKATIE: Thank you for reinstating the article to here. You say "no real name" ... The Scary Guy is his legal name. It is on his passport - changed by deedpoll. There was a link to that reference/ public records on there. What do you mean educational preparation? Help me to understand. And there is a very detailed life story about Scary that can be referenced through newspaper stories and films worldwide. Please indicate how this should be done, in a manner where we are not self promoting. We do not wish to self promote. This was never our intention. And never will be. Regarding 'Buy his ... ' We do not wish to promote or sell books or film through Wikipedia. The Scary Guy focus is not on selling products. It is on creating Awareness. That is what The Scary Guy is notable for. Endlessly interviewed by thousands of newspapers and radio and TV around the World in the last seven years.Whatevernext 21:12, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
    There may be endlessly interviewed by thousands of newspapers and radio and TV around the World in the last seven years, but none of them were cited in the Wikipedia article. Even if there is a very detailed life story about Scary that can be referenced through newspaper stories, they were not in fact referenced in the Wikipeida article. The best way to avoid self promotion is to only use information from the newspaper stories and then put a footnote at the end of each sentence that references the newspaper story where you received the information. I placed some more instructions on the article talk page, here. Also, take a look at Tony Robbins. You may want to try to make The Scary Guy article look and read more like that article. -- Jreferee (Talk) 00:44, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank You. will use that as a model. Whatevernext 08:20, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

  • Weak Keep for now. The stub-ified version of the article looks much better, and at least has a few sources cited that seem to show notability. -- Kesh 01:01, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep news coverage satisfies notability. ~ Infrangible 02:02, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep inspirational and motivational person for the contemporary generation; can never ever judge a book by its cover (what's inside the person counts); he has positive goals per the references now presented on the restored article.Dragonbite 05:08, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
    • How positive he is has not relevance to the AfD. The only concern is if the article meets Wikipedia's policies, which I just barely think it does. --Kesh 20:27, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep The page is being tidied as I speak and is well on it's way to becoming a decent article. Notability is well taken care of. This article has the thumbs-up! Bennyboyz3000 09:54, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.