Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Proletariat

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep (non-admin closure). Nomination withdrawn, sole remaining delete preference rendered obsolete in light of The Heymann Standard. Skomorokh 01:49, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Proletariat

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This was already speedied as a copyvio, that's no longer the case. Unfortunately it does not pass WP:BAND. While RS coverage is hard due to a) band's age (although they're active now and should have coverage) and b) the name, there is no evidence of it and the label doesn't appear to be major, note it's not Old Homestead but rather Homestead. Also not encyclopedic and promotional, but that could be fixed if they were notable. TRAVELLINGCARI^{My story}_{Tell me yours} 02:30, 1 April 2008 (UTC) Nomination withdrawn thanks to Edgarde;s work, see note below

• Delete, all claims to notability are unverified. Sources cited... change to no opinion for now. ~EdGl 02:50, 1 April 2008 (UTC), edit at 13:52, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
• Comment I've never understood music criteria, so I'll not express an opinion on keeping or deleting the article, but if it's deleted, it should be recreated as a redirect to proletariat. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nyttend (talk • contribs)
  • This should be linked anyway for disambiguation purposes. / edg ☺ ☭ 12:10, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
• Make redirect per Nyttend. This doesn't seem notable, and that's a redirect that should exist. I'm undecided as to whether a delete/recreate is necessary here. JeremyMcCracken (talk) (contribs) 03:21, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

• Change to Keep. Now that it's got a couple of sources, I can see the notability. JeremyMcCracken (talk) (contribs) 11:20, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

• Delete/redirect per Nyttend. There's no evidence of notability here. As others have noted, this article has been improved, and now seems to pass WP:BAND. Keep. Terraxos (talk) 03:52, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
• Merge/redirect as per Nyttend Changed to Keep after work on itFattyjwoods ^{(Push my button)} 04:02, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delete, article fails to establish notability as per WP:MUSIC.  Esradekan Gibb  ^"Talk" 05:25, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
• keep band's discography indexed in Steven Blush's American Hardcore: A Tribal History historically notable band. 1st LP (Soma Holiday) was influential, and discussed in Blush's book, the second LP on Homestead Records ought to meet WP:MUSIC. Homestead is no fly-by-nite label (releasing albums by Big Black, Dinosaur Jr, Einstürzende Neubauten, Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds, Sonic Youth etc. "Major label" != Major Corporate label, in the early 1980s influential hardcore punk was just not on labels now recognized as "Major"). Other label releases: MDC's R-Radical records P.E.A.C.E. Comp., track on very influential This Is Boston, Not L.A. comp... That the bands entire catalog was re-released in a 2CD set by Taang! Records demonstrates their historical status, ergo notable. Pete.Hurd (talk) 06:00, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

• I'll work a wee bit on the article, but not tonight. Pete.Hurd (talk) 06:03, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
• OK, I lied, I worked on it tonight. Pete.Hurd (talk) 07:06, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

• Keep as sourced (could use more) and notable (I'm listening to them right now, FWIW). Came to this AFD after looking this band up. Promotional tone certainly needs fixing. / edg ☺ ☭ 09:53, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
  • I've performed some cleanup for tone and formatting, and added a source. Could use some work in the grammar/writing, but my head's not there at the moment. I hope the closing admin will consider the current state of the article. / edg ☺ ☭ 12:10, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Withdrawn, thanks to Edgarde's work below. I still think we need a DAB page, which I'm about to create. This will stay here because I think people searching for the working class are unlikely to use 'the' and if they do, the link atop the article will point them home. TRAVELLINGCARI^{My story}_{Tell me yours} 16:29, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

• Done, see Proletariat (disambiguation), it was needed TRAVELLINGCARI^{My story}_{Tell me yours} 16:49, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.