Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Postal Dude (Postal)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Sources appear skimpy but there. Character's appearance on the cover of the Wall Street Journal, October 16, 1997 (assuming the accuracy of this secondary reference) is a WP:RS of good quality. Pigman☿ 01:14, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Postal Dude (Postal)

The Postal Dude (Postal) (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

This is a non-notable character that does not have real world information to establish notability. It is currently covered in the main articles, and there is no current assertion for improvement. TTN (talk) 22:26, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

• Keep. Notable main character of two video games and a film. A quick google search for interviews brings up information on inspiration and development. ●BillPP ^{(talk|contribs)} 23:12, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Then add them. I (talk) 01:00, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I've added a few for now to show notability. ●BillPP ^{(talk|contribs)} 10:28, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

• Delete - I just discovered this article yesterday (I'm a fan of the Postal series) and I saw how extremely crappy it was and was going to rewrite it, but today it got nominated for deletion. I think that's the best solution probably, this article is so horrible and rank. It can be redone some other time, perhaps. HOORAY TO SUPER VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES. Blizzard Beast ^$ODIN$ 23:24, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

• Keep The Postal Dude is a very notable video game character. Not only is he a character for a fairly popular video game franchise he is soon going to be the star of a Uwe Boll movie. Just because there is no real world info backing him up doesn't mean you can't find any. As Bill up there stated a simple Google search yields results. Rgoodermote  23:41, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
• Weak Keep probably WP:N. JJL (talk) 01:40, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
• Delete; no reliable sources to establish real-world notability. — Coren ^(talk) 03:38, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
• Delete we have clear guidelines for fictional characters. The emphasis needs to be on real-world significance. This does not aspire to that standard and should thus be deleted or redirected to the game. Eusebeus 19:38, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
• Keep The Postal Dude is no diffrent the Mario or Solid Snake. They have their own articels why can't the Postal Dude - Mr.NorCal55 07:58, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Because they don't matter in this discussion. I (talk) December 4, 2007

• I'm conflicted. The article that would grant any character notability doesn't seem to be from a reliable source, from what I can tell. However, the other sources do talk about him, and although no single source would grant notability, I am choosing to view all of the sources in concert something that indicates notability. I also think that there is a good chance that there will be some sources that will grant rock-solid notability eventually. So, consider this a less than 100% support. I (talk) 00:33, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Which article is it that is from an unreliable source. Perhaps I can find a replacement. ●BillPP ^{(talk|contribs)} 12:01, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Unreliable was a bad term. I am referring to this article. It's not neccesarily unreliable, but it's not from something independant of the subject (it appears to be a fansite to me). If that article had been written by a website that was not involved in the game, it would be an excellent source. I (talk) 23:34, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

That's a newsletter from the makers of the game so the information is reliable. I wouldn't say it matters too much if the bulk of the development information comes from the makers directly (similar to DVD commentaries for TV shows for example). IMO it's the Gill connection especially which makes the character notable as his admiration for the character has been reported on many news wesbites. Also the character is significantly mentioned whenever the game is discussed by independent publications. ●BillPP ^{(talk|contribs)} 00:31, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

The information in that article is reliable, hence my earlier comment about poor choice of words. It doesn't grant notability, however. I (talk) 00:40, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

I understood that, I was confirming that the information was reliable as you didn't know the source. I also know that it is secondary sources that indicate notability which is why I brought the other parts of the article into the discussion rather than focus on the development information. ●BillPP ^{(talk|contribs)} 00:48, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

• Keep, broad, although maybe not in-depth coverage, is still enough. --Reinoutr (talk) 07:59, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Just enough refs to establish real world notability. RMHED (talk) 20:21, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep or Merge The part on real life people imitating him is most-notable. Mbisanz (talk) 00:55, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.