Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Pizza Head Show

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The result was Keep. Cool Hand Luke 07:15, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Pizza Head Show

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This is tough one. Despite being a national ad campaign, I'm not convinced that this meets notability guidelines. Specifically, our guidelines instruct us to look for things that bring significant third-party coverage, and caution us that a topic should have long-term notability as opposed to a short flurry of activity. In these respects, I believe this advertisement fails. A Google test for '"Pizza Head Show" -wikipedia'" yields 471 results. I understand that the Google test isn't perfect, especially considering the ad campaign ran nearly fifteen years ago, but I compare those results to similar tests for Scrubbing Bubbles (62,000 hits), Frito Bandito (17,700 hits), or Buddy Lee (23,400 hits). These are campaigns similar in length and penetration to the Pizza Head commercials, and even they pale in comparison to advertising titans like McGruff the Crime Dog (90,000+ hits) or the Energizer Bunny (347,000 hits). Consequentially 00:52, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

• Strong Neutral Never heard of it before, and I'm an old fart. Lots of stuff there, but I agree that it is really pushing the limits of notability. Hard to make a stand, mainly voiced in to just share your pain. This may have had some traction in some regions more than others, have to just see. Pharmboy 01:30, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
• Keep national ad campaign for a major company that lasted 4 years. Note that it's a bit unfair to use Google to compare a primarily pre-internet character to those who are still in use, and ones with a far longer lifespan: Scrubbing Bubbles have been around for four decades, and is also the name of the product itself! The Frito Bandito comparison is more apt, but is today better-known (deservedly or not) as an example of corporate racial insensitivity than for the campaign itself. Comparing Buddy Lee is ludicrous: the character has been around for 90 years, and was once America's second-best-selling doll! Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 13:07, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I used those examples precisely to illustrate what makes an ad campaign notable. The controversy surrounding the Bandito gives it notability beyond the "it was on TV." The longevity of the Scrubbing Bubbles is testament to their success as a marketing tool, and third-party coverage has been developed because of its long run. Buddy Lee is an advertisement that digs into best-selling merchandise, the combination of which has attracted significant third-party reporting. My point is this: just being on TV doesn't make you notable, even if you're an ad campaign. The thresh-hold for inclusion is not "it exists," especially in an arena where ads come and go literally every week. Consequentially 15:53, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

• Weak Keep - as per above but does need a rewrite to rid itself of majority list form. Onnaghar(T/C) 14:39, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
• Merge the significant stuff (not the lists of episodes and "Steves") into the "Advertising" section of Pizza Hut, and redirect. If reliable third-party studies of these advertisements can be found, I'll reconsider, but for now the Bucky Beaver treatment seems most appropriate. Deor 15:25, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - I added some referenced material. Given that it was a three-year national ad campaign, it is likely that there is more referenced material in advertising newspapers and magazines. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 03:04, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

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