Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The News Leader

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Withdrawn by nominator; no delete opinions. Non-admin closure. Tony Fox (arf!) 20:48, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

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Non notable news paper. I do note that this userspace essay would like to recommend that all daily newspapers are notable, but doesn't provide a rationale for it, and I personally disagree that they should be automatically notable. I'm bringing the AfD because the speedy tag (the article doesn't even assert notability or have any 3rd party sources) was removed because of that essay and I'm certain a prod would be removed too. I'd like wider community input.  — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)} 19:10, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Withdraw OK, you guys have convinced me. — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)} 20:37, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

• Delete. Googling it does not suggest any significant independent coverage of the newspaper. Unless some particular notability can be demonstrated, the article seems unjustified. If there are agreed guidelines to suggest that such newspapers should be included I would be prepared to change my mind. Could be kept as a redirect to Gannett Company, and if there's nothing interesting to be said about the paper I would suggest that this is the best option.--Michig 19:42, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

OK, you've convinced me (for now). Keep and allow time for expansion.--Michig 20:12, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

• Keep. Yes, it's a stub, and needs expansion, but it has an infobox, and Gannett indicates a Sunday readership of over 21,000. Maybe this doesn't belong in the article, but a journalist in the paper contributed to a breaking story in USA Today about the Virginia Tech Massacre, see [1]. This article states that a cartoon first published there received nationwide attention [2]. Anyway, seems notable to me. (Some confusion exists about "Daily News Leader" vs just "News Leader"). Novickas 19:55, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Comment Re:journalist - to my mind, that's evidence of the Journalist's notability, not the paper's (and notability is not inherited), Re:cartoon - again, that goes towards the cartoon's notability, not the paper's. — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)} 19:59, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

• Keep and add to WP:OUTCOMES. Here's my reasoning behind this. WP:OUTCOMES states that based on precedent, licensed TV and radio stations are generally considered notable based on the limited scope and so forth. While there is no legal limit to the number of papers that can be allowed within a geographic region, the money involved in undertaking and continuing to print a daily newspaper limits the total number of daily newspapers. As of 2000, there were 1,480 daily newspapers operating in the United States, yet 12,717 licensed radio stations. If every city's radio and television stations are considered notable, why would the print media not be notable? I realize this is kind of a WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument, but I think it's a valid one. By the precedents, the TV station and radio station would be notable, but the daily paper which preceded both of them would not be? Smashville 19:57, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep I'm persuaded by Smashville's argument. Also, I don't think this is a WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS issue; it is not using the existence of other articles as justification, rather, it uses a settled rationale which is applicable for the reasons Smashville has well stated. - superβεεcat  20:05, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Founded 100 years ago? I'd say there's probably notability here. MarkBul 20:08, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

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