Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The New Tragic

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete due to unsatisfied concerns about verifiability and reliable sources. — TKD::Talk 03:20, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The New Tragic

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No independent sources, no verifiability. No notability, except the band had some former members of other bands. According to article, band demoed three songs and then broke up. Even that would probably fail WP:BAND. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 23:56, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Keep per criterion 6 of WP:MUSIC: "Contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise notable; note that it is often most appropriate to use redirects in place of articles on side projects, early bands and such." This group contains several members of notable bands, so I say keep. Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps•Review?) 00:00, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Certainly, but this band demoed three songs and then broke up. Don't you agree there has to be some line drawn in the sand? Otherwise, if some former drummer of one band and a harmonica player who once jammed with another band get together one day to busk at a subway stop in Chicago, we'll need to accept an article on that. There are rules, and then there's knowing when the rules are starting to break down. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 00:33, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. Five-minute bands are not notable. "I came, I sang, I quit". Tragic indeed! WWGB 03:15, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per TenPoundHammer. I agree with you, AllGloryToTheHypnotoad (great name :)) that there does need to be a line, but I believe this one should survive because it has more than one member associated with a prominent band. If it were only one, I'd proposing merging into his article and redirecting. --Moonriddengirl 12:52, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
comment - Well, given the band's short history, how likely is it that they ever received any more than a trivial or passing mention in an independent reliable third-party source? Hey, if you know that one of these guys hada biography written about him, where there were several paragraphs written about this particular band, then it's obviously a strong keep under WP:RS and WP:N. However, I think the onus is on the people voting "keep" to try to track down at least one third-party reliable source out there that gives this band more than a passing or trivial mention. The "more than one member associated with a prominent band" criterion from WP:BAND is only there as a guide to making an assumption about whether non-trivial mention in a third-party source may exist somewhere - on its own it's not proof of notability. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 14:26, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
also - right now as there are no third-party sources at all, this article even fails WP:LIVING. We're asserting that living people were in a band together, without any more than a myspace page and a youtube video for proof. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 14:29, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.