Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The NESkimos

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. W.marsh 00:30, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The NESkimos

The NESkimos (discussion|history|protect|delete|undelete|logs|links)

Not notable Akaneon 11:47, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Speedy keep-this user trying to nominate "every article in Wikipedia" per deletion and was blocked for same. Bad-faith nomination. Seraphimblade 12:14, 9 November 2006 (UTC) Changing to delete-Uncle G's very reasonable suggestion is correct, and this one doesn't seem to satisfy WP:BAND. And once again a change-it seems some reliable mentions have been found and notability has been established, so let's keep it after all. Seraphimblade 12:42, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
    • True. But on the other hand everything in this article does apparently come from the band's own web site, per the many external links from the article to that site. So let's subvert the bad faith nomination into a good faith discussion of how this band satisfies the WP:MUSIC criteria. Uncle G 12:24, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete - 675 ghits, nothing awfully reliable. MER-C 12:26, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Also note Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/NESkimos. Uncle G 13:04, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete, possibly speedy as re-creation. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 13:20, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

This band was also on an MTV special. It suits notability criteria number 5.

This is user SaxIndustries - I'm not sure how to properly tag things in this discussion, but I thought I should mention, the NESkimos have been featured in Jacksonville's Folio Weekly (a weekly printed newspaper), there's a scan of the article on ForGreatJustice.org, here's a direct link: NESkimos in Folio Weekly

There's also an article from their appearance at the World Series of Videogames.

As well, they've been on an MTV Special, the top 20 videogames of all time countdown (I don't remember the exact title, unfortunately), and they had a brief mention in Spin Magazine last year. I believe these qualify for the WP:MUSIC criteria.

I will openly admit, though, some items on the NESkimos wikipedia article didn't need to be there, such as all that detailed information on the web forums, and talk of users going through hard times together, or whatever it said, that was all completely useless. But I do believe they are an important band, and a Wikipedia-worthy band at that.

-SaxIndustries

  • Keep. From what I can see, it passes WP:BAND. --- RockMFR 20:13, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Speedy Delete They are non notable and fail WP:MUSIC on a number of points. scope_creep 21:47, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
  • This makes no sense whatsoever. It doesn't matter if something fails WP:MUSIC on "a number of points". It only needs to meet ONE of the criteria. --- RockMFR 22:30, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Only one of the criteria needs to be met, if you read the article. Gmip 08:28, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. SaxIndustries provided plenty of information that proves the NESkimos are worthy of a Wikipedia page. TehBatman — TehBatman (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

I apologize, I meant to say it qualifies for WP:BAND, not WP:MUSIC. SaxIndustries

Apparently, WP:MUSIC and WP:BAND are the same article. Either way, the text of WP:MUSIC states that if a band meets any one of the criteria, they are considered notable. Seeing as how the NESkimos have been the subject of various online and print articles, they are a notable band and can have an article on Wikipedia. - SaxIndustries — SaxIndustries (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

  • Keep It passes WP:MUSIC according to #5. "Has been featured in multiple non-trivial published works in reliable and reputable media " At the very minimum, the world series of gaming and Folio. They have also, as said, been on MTV. --- Sanctusorium — Sanctusorium (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
  • Keep WP:MUSIC is met according to #5. "Has been featured in multiple non-trivial published works in reliable and reputable media " At the very minimum, Folio and the world series of video games. They were also the center piece of the zelda section on the mtv video game countdown —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.40.234.254 (talk • contribs)
Comment: No user by this name even exists. Seraphimblade 04:38, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

What I don't understand is, why this page is marked for deletion, but not, say, The Minibosses or Jake Kaufman, both of which are just about as big in the video game music community as are The NESkimos. I think the problem is, nobody in the video game music community really qualifies in WP:MUSIC, seeing as how a lot of groups have problems getting the songs licensed and are unable to release an actual record on a real label, which prohibits them from winning any major music awards, breaking into the mainstream, etc. It's an undergound kind of thing at best, but it is a fairly large movement, and these bigger acts do deserve their own Wikipedia articles. I mean, the NESkimos and Minibosses did both play at Penny Arcade Expo 2005, which had over 9,000 visitors (I'm not saying 9,000 were at the concert, but even 10 percent would be 900 people) which equates to a pretty large concert, even for some of the bigger mainstream acts out there.

The main point is, the NESkimos do in fact qualify in point five of WP:MUSIC, meaning the article should be kept. SaxIndustries

  • Keep The name of the show on MTV was "Ultimate Video Game Countdown". It was sponsored by MTV and Electronic Gaming Monthly. It originally aired on January 2nd, 2004. It was a 20 game countdown, and the NESkimos were featured in the segment for the number 1 game, The Legend of Zelda. If this doesn't qualify them under #5 for Musicians and Ensembles, then also consider that they are one of the foremost recognized bands in the video game cover genre, having wide recognition on the internet, as well as playing shows at The World Video Game Championships in 2006, Penny Arcade Expo in 2005 & 2006, and MAGfest 2005 & 2006, which should qualify them under #7.
  • Keep - Notability has been demonstrably and irrefutably proven. Score another loss for the deletionists. Professor Ninja 15:05, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep - For the same reasons as most of these other Keep-voting people.
  • Keep - This is my official vote for "keep," for all the reasons I stated above. SaxIndustries
  • Keep per the evidence presented by SaxIndustries, appears to meet the notability criteria within our WP:BAND guideline. Yamaguchi先生 21:11, 14 November 2006
  • Keep the MTV coverage provides proof of Notability per WP:MUSIC.  ALKIVAR™ ☢ 23:00, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.