Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Music Box (magazine)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Cbrown1023 21:40, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Music Box (magazine)

The Music Box (magazine) (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Speedy tag and PROD tag were removed, but I still don't see evidence that this is notable enough for inclusion. cholmes75 ^{(chit chat)} 17:46, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Fails to assert notability. —ShadowHalo 19:50, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - Perhaps with a slight expansion to address whatever concerns there are. The reasoning is as follows:

  1) The guidelines for Resources under Wikipedia:WikiProject Music/Notability and Music Guidelines are basically non-existent, so it is unclear as to what criteria are being utilized to judge the validity of this entry.

  2) Even under the more general guidelines for articles/entries, it should be noted that The Music Box and its staff have been resources for and have provided content to other mainstream media outlets.

  a) Print: Its editor and staff have been resources and contributors to at least a few mainstream publications/newspapers. Both the Florida Times-Union and the Louisville Courier-Journal, for example, are the major papers that serve their respective areas.

  b) Radio: Its editor has made guest appearances on at least one major radio station, where he served as the co-host of a regular segment. WKZE 98.1 FM is a large and well-respected commercial station in Connecticut.

  That The Music Box has passed both the editorial and the commercial considerations of at least a few major print and radio outlets means that it has been recognized within the industry as being a notable, reputable, and authoritative media outlet in its own right.

  Also, given that The Music Box is based in Illinois, these (Kentucky, Florida, Connecticut) are big geographic distances to traverse for a non-notable publication.

  When combined with the 2-year duration of the radio segment, these facts lend very strong credence to the notion that The Music Box has knowledgeable expertise that has been recognized outside the scope of its own existence, which therefore makes it a notable resource/publication.

  In addition, I also submit the following:

  3) The registered users who created the article in February 2006 (and have since worked on it and categorized it) clearly have felt that The Music Box was a notable resource. It is puzzling that after all this time, it now is being targeted for deletion with a simple 'nn' designation.

  4) The Music Box has been published since 1994, and while one could argue that longevity is not necessarily indicative of notability, it also could be argued that its having a track record of 12+ years is.

  5) The Music Box is well-written and informative, the latter being the very definition of a useful resource. Again, taken on its own, this might not refute the argument that it is not notable, but the publication's well-reasoned reviews and its attention to accurate historical detail make it worthwhile to include.

  6) Perhaps it also is worth mentioning that in its 12+ year existence, The Music Box staff has conducted and published interviews with many well-known artists and music industry representatives, including Bruce Hornsby, Burning Spear, author and historian Dennis McNally, Be Good Tanyas/Po Girl's Trish Klein and Train. For years, The Music Box also has covered quite a few albums from major artists prior to their release. Clearly, the industry views The Music Box as a notable resource. 71.155.233.121 00:50, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

comment .121, you have the first few examples backwards. Its not whether MV contributes to other publications, it's whether other publications talk specifically about MB, and here significantly means more than just saying its the source of their articles. Have its interviews been written about elsewhere.DGG 02:48, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Additional comment - None of the above claims are sourced, but neither do they show how the magazine is notable. --cholmes75 ^{(chit chat)} 04:31, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

• The Music Box was quoted as a reference in an article written by Sarah Fritschner in the Louisville Courier Journal on July 29, 2006. The article was titled Rogue Rocks, and it was in regards to a beer named Dead Guy Ale. The beer's name is in reference to Jerry Garcia, and The Music Box was asked to provide comment about the Grateful Dead/Garcia. 71.155.229.125 14:56, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
• Here's an article from Slate (August 2, 2005) about online music that mentions The Music Box. 71.155.229.125 14:56, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
• Here's a link to the Norman Transcript, a major Oklahoma paper, that distributes content from The Music Box. 71.155.229.125 14:56, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
• Excluding fan and band sites (of which there are many that have made mention of The Music Box), here are some other articles that have referenced material that appeared in The Music Box:

  e-Notes,

  Florida Theatre,

  Factbites.com/Bruce Hornsby,

  Factbites.com/NRPS, and

  San Francisco Mission District. 71.155.229.125 14:56, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

• The Music Box was the subject of a profile in Capitol City Free Press (March 2005):
• Per Notability - Online Content, The Music Box meets the criteria for an online site because it fulfills this guideline: "The content is distributed via a site which is both well known and independent of the creators, either through an online newspaper or magazine, an online publisher, or an online broadcaster." The Music Box's content has been distributed through Jacksonville.com (the online publication of the Florida Times-Union) and the Norman Transcript (see above). In addition, see 2-year long, weekly radio broadcast outlined in 2b above. 71.155.229.125 14:56, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

• Delete No cited sources and serves doubtful encyclopedic value. Clearly violates one of three pillars of wikipedia, Verifiability. If it's such a notable subject, why have not more independent articles written about this topic been written for citation? Alan.ca 10:13, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
• In Wire (Portsmouth, NH), writer Neil Lovett references and quotes one of The Music Box's concert reviews in his article "carrying a torch for Ratdog?". 71.155.230.220 15:33, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

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