Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Merge Ministry

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy deleted as recreations of deleted articles. Bucketsofg 04:25, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Merge Ministry

The Merge Ministry (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Refresh Worship Toronto (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Notability is not asserted from reliable sources, and I was not able to find anything relevant via google. Flex (talk/contribs) 14:15, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

• Delete I don't see the notability either. The parent church could be argued as meeting notability criteria, but a defunct ministry in the church? Nope. Lurker 14:54, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm adding the following article:

Refresh Worship Toronto (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

This is about a new version of this ministry. It's not about a church, it's about a service run by that church, so I don't see it as meeting any notability criteria. It's also full of phrases like We hope you will both support this ministry in prayer and by attending its events throughout the year. Thank you for your support. Which, needless to say, do not belong on wikipedia. Lurker 15:02, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

• Delete Refresh Worship Toronto per notability concerns. (Should this be listed separately?) --Flex (talk/contribs) 15:09, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

• They seem to be more or less the same event, so have the same notability concerns. So I think they belong in the same AfD. Lurker 15:36, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

• Ok. I added it to the top. --Flex (talk/contribs) 15:43, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

• Note. An article dealing with both of these groups was deleted via AfD last week. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Merge and Refresh Worship Toronto ministries. Deor 18:37, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Since these articles were created the day after that one was deleted, these may qualify for speedy deletion under WP:SD#General_criteria #4. I can't tell if the content was similar (presumably it was), but I do know that they suffer from the same flaw: notability and verifiability. --Flex (talk/contribs) 19:11, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
    • I can't remember exactly what the content of the previous article was, but some of it has clearly been reused in The Merge Ministry—specifically, the "Musicians' background" section, with its ungainly chart. That stuck in my memory. Deor 19:36, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
      • I have nominated both for speedy deletion as a repost. --Flex (talk/contribs) 20:43, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
• Note this may all have been done in good faith. The original article was sort-of about the ministry and sort-of about the band, and we concluded that the band faild WP:MUSIC, but that notability guidelines for ministries were not so clear, so maybe they're just trying to do what we (more or less) told them to. Capmango 22:32, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

I've checked the articles, and not all the content is the same, so I have declined to delete them. Let the AfD continue the full time. I am neutral about the present articles, though some of the detailed content at the end about individual members is clearly excessive (that part is the same as the deleted article). DGG 22:50, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. --Flex (talk/contribs) 23:15, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

• Delete both. Even reading an assertion of notability into these articles requires a stretch, I think, and nothing has been done to address the WP:V concerns raised in the AfD discussion of the previous article. Deor 23:40, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

• I have noticed that whenever an attempt is being made to edit these pages, there is someone who is always resetting them back to their original format. So yes, there is an attempt of good faith to meet wikipedia requirements, but I've noticed that the originator and his/her supporters are being slashed down--everytime an edit is made, it's always being reset. Please don't tell me that someone is sabbotaging the articles' creators' efforts... -- dr. 21:25, 22 June 2007

I'm not seeing that in the articles' history pages, 65.249.163.82. Most of the editing of the articles has been your work, and some of the edits by other anonymous IPs have been reverted to your version. Could you supply a diff that illustrates what you're referring to? Deor 01:59, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 07:39, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 07:39, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.