Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Matrix character names

This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page, if it exists; or after the end of this archived section. The result of the debate was no consensus for deletion, so the article will be kept. There are a number of users favoring moving this content to other articles, but there is no agreement of where to move it. Therefore I am left with no choice but to keep the article as it is until agreement of what to do with it, which would most likely be merge with somewhere, but not deletion, is reached. Sjakkalle (Check!) 30 June 2005 09:00 (UTC)

[edit] The Matrix character names

After reading this I wanted to clean out the bits that are speculation or original research, but then I realized that virtually all of it is speculation or research, or a trivial listing of synonyms. E.g. Trinity is asserted to refer to the female aspect of the Christian god (which is heavily disputed), Apoc is linked to Epoch because it sounds similar, Cypher is linked to Lucifer because it's spelled similar, and Switch is linked to a BDSM role. I'm sorry about this since I really like the film, but this article is far too devoid of actual content. Radiant_>|< 12:46, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

• Delete Fascinating original research. -- BD2412 ^talk 16:06, 2005 Jun 18 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. Feydey 19:41, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Comment. Might not be original research, actually. Look at this: http://www.matrix-explained.com/symbolism_in_the_matrix.htm. I'm still not comfortable giving this a keep, but neither can I give it a delete right now (which, I know, pretty much defaults my vote to keep). SwissCelt 20:28, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Yes, that page, too, is original research. Basically they put on each and every synonym and spurious etymology they could find. Allow me to quote,
    • 101 is a cool prime number. (so friggin' what?)
    • Maybe the Merovingian was a former One. (patently false, since he's a computer program as explained in the film)
    • Ander = "Man" (Greek) (also wrong, the Greek word is Andros)
    • "Thomas A." is probably related to "Thomas Aquin" a saint of the catholic church. (speculative)
  • Etc. Radiant_>|< 22:47, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. While most of this is rubbish, there is enough factual stuff to make it worth keeping. DJ Clayworth 20:56, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Merge to The Matrix. I don't think that providing background information on mythological names qualifies as original research, especially when the name is established in Wikipedia -- those entries compromise a "Matrix List," more or less. By rough reckoning, about 40% of the list content is of that kind. I am not willing to vote keep, however, because this doesn't seem worthy of a separate article. Xoloz 04:32, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Agree w/ Radiant. What little verifiable/factual stuff exists should be or is in character's articles. No sources or references cited for the rest. Looking at what I can find about that "Like A Splinter in Your Mind" book, I think it's a strong possibility that the author(s) of the article are confusing the "Matrix" metaphors or examples used in that book as a way to introduce philosophical concepts (like "The Physics of Star Trek" (see Lawrence M. Krauss) uses ST devices and terms to introduce concepts of physics) with the thematic intentions of the writers of the film. Soundguy99 06:31, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Original research, and 99% crap anyway. Proto 10:02, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Merge to individual wikis for each character, if a page exists. Some characters will never be developed and removing this bit of information removes what little data is available for lesser characters, like Switch or Apoc. The movie directors acknowledged the patent symbolisms, some obvious, some not, most unexplained. However, these items are part of information about the movies and the characters. Interpretation can be whittled on a page by page level, other less important definitions can disappear with this page. Like everything else, a credible source or explanation should be given. (For instance, the use of the name "Morpheus" can be confirmed from sources as intentional by the directors and its origin from The Sandman comics). One less page to edit is cool, but don't eliminate the origin of names that can be verified or are too obvious to ignore. Spencerian 22:47, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Move it somewhere, it's too fascinating to just toss it. Perhaps The Matrix/Meanings of character names, perhaps the talk page. Spencerian's idea is good too. Tualha 02:05, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Keep content, not original research. Merge the content to the character articles if this article cannot be kept. — Phil Welch 03:47, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, it's not original research, it's useful information for Matrix fans. - Sikon 15:19, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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