Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Marketplace Mall

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus, defaulting to keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 05:00, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Marketplace Mall

This is a non-notable mall. It has been de-proded citing WP:LOCAL, but I do not believe it fits that criteria.--Gay Cdn (talk) (email) (Contr.) 01:02, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

  • keep or merge "one of the busiest commercial hubs in Monroe County" [1] per WP:LOCAL. This mall is important to the town of Henrietta, New York and a significant component of retail in the surrounding area. Also the article provides a basic understanding of its history and development. Has potential for expansion from press coverage such as [2]. Kappa 01:13, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
    • Your first link above describes the town that the mall is located in as a commercial hub, not the mall itself. --Daniel Olsen 01:20, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
      • I don't think so. Kappa 02:00, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
      • It would be most accurate to say that the mall anchors one of the two or three major commercial hubs of the county. The town of Henrietta is largely rural; it just happens to contain The Marketplace and the resulting major commercial strip in the northern section. Powers T 19:28, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete/merge into Rochester, New York or Henrietta, New York. If it's so important to the town, perhaps it should be in the article about the town. What little info is here says nothing special about the mall, just that it IS a mall, and has department stores. Non-notable. --Daniel Olsen 01:20, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
    • It's not just important to the town (although it is); it's also important to the city of Rochester (and the surrounding area), and to the county. It can't be merged into all three articles, surely? Powers T 19:28, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. If schools are inherently notable, I see no reason why major shopping centers shouldn't be (there are a lot fewer of them, after all). Powers T 19:28, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
    Comment Two flaws in that argument: 1) schools are not inherently notable. 2) We get mall articles for strip malls on here some of the time, so there aren't significantly fewer malls than schools. GRBerry 01:20, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Malls are businesses, in the business of renting space to retail stores so the mall owner can make money. No evidence or assertion of meeting WP:CORP. "Article" is spam. GRBerry 01:20, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
    • It does meet WP:CORP ("multiple non-trivial published works"): [3] [4] [5].
  • Delete per GRBerry. I've been there, and it's just a mall. Might be worth a mention in the Henrietta, New York article, for the reasons Powers gives. Electrolite 06:28, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete for failing WP:CORP - no third-party non-trivial articles, no awards; notability neither shown nor implied. Argument that 'if schools are inherently notable, then malls must be', only begs the question. This form of argument only states everything is notable, since anything can be inserted into the second half of that argument, and it's already known that WP is not a collection of everything. Tychocat 02:05, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
    • Only if those "anything"s are more notable than schools, which I believe malls to be. I recognize that this is my opinion, but I'm entitled to it on this issue. I never claimed it to be something everyone would have to agree with; I specifically said "I see no reason [they] shouldn't be [notable]", not "obviously [they] are [notable]." Powers T 23:59, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
    • In any case, please note GRBerry's comments. I might suggest sticking to stated WP policy and guidelines, rather than inventing notability standards for schools, malls, or whatevers. Tychocat 04:17, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
      • Who's making things up? WP:SCHOOL is admittedly just a proposed guideline, but it seems to have wide support. I really don't appreciate the aspersion. Also note my (new) reply to GRBerry's comments. Powers T 15:16, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
      • Since this is your first direct mention of a WP guideline, I can't see how I'm casting aspersions. And the mall would still fail notability standards. Tychocat 16:27, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
        • I apologize for not linking WP:SCHOOL earlier; I thought it was a well-known guideline. Anyway, the mall meets WP:CORP as I mentioned above. Powers T 13:34, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom and GRBerry. Indrian 15:31, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep per Kappa. Keep all schools and malls. --JJay 19:00, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Keep all...malls, based on what criteria, policy or guideline?--Gay Cdn (talk) (email) (Contr.) 15:13, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.