Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Honch

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Keep arguments amount to "I like it", "Other stuff exists", and "its useful", none of them policy-based. delete arguments are policy based. If anons are discounted, the numerical consensus is also clear. DES (talk) 16:44, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Honch

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This article is a meandering list of entirely non-notable places to eat and places to drink reviewed by people who like to frequent them. The fact there's an area of town popular with foreign military can be summed up in one or two sentences on the relevant city page ShizuokaSensei 04:31, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete. Wikipedia is not a travel guide for the U.S. Navy. The two intro paragraphs of this are present (verbatim) in the Wikitravel article on Yokosuka, which is where the rest of the article should go. Deor 12:13, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. For the above reasons - fails what Wiki is NOT. ShizuokaSensei 12:54, 2 July 2007 (UTC)


keep it here

i think it should stay here or at least in the travel guide to Yokosuka as a guide of the nightlife district in yokosuka for forigers, also it is what wikipedia is all about and just listing the basics and not going into too much detail about the place and just giving the "pedia" of the place and to let people know whats there and if the want to got there or not. it is very basic in its words and understanding and also gives insight into what this bar district is. keep it here

Just some notes from the Wikipedia policies page. Something to think about.
1) Before nominating an AfD, Consider adding a tag such as cleanup, disputed or expert-subject instead; this may be preferable if the article has some useful content.
2) Before nominating a recently created article, please consider that many good articles started their Wikilife in pretty bad shape. Unless it is obviously a hopeless case, consider sharing your reservations with the article creator, mentioning your concerns on the article's discussion page, and/or adding a "cleanup" template, instead of bringing the article to AfD.

If this battle to keep this article separate is doomed to be lost, why not add a section in the Yokosuka city article, for "The Honch" and redirect this article to that? Although from reading into the Honch, and reading the yokosuka article, I really do think it should be kept separate. 206.39.111.20 04:30, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree. I think it should stay on here. There are a number of articles of very similar subject matter on Wikipedia, and I do agree that the information provided is useful in many more ways than a 'travel guide.' Take a lok at the Las Vegas Strip article. Why not restructure this article in a similar way? The Honch, albeit smaller, is definitely in the same category as the Strip. And there's difinitely not a lack of information to be found on this neighborhood. It would be interesting to see it all consolidated here into something more useful, and separate from the Yokosuka article; I think it warrants that. Especially by emphasizing the historical importance in addition to it's modern appeal. Several rather important agreements (at the end of WWII) were signed in the buildings of Dobuita street outside the Naval Base between Allied and Japanese officials. I don't know much other than seeing the plaques outside some of the buildings, but I'll do more research into that. I think it would be a waste to delete this article. Being stationed here, I've realized how famous the neighborhood is, by the emails and questions I get from friends and acquaintances back home. S. Hulce 04:40, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

- Added a 'History' section, could use some help adding content. Hoping to make this article more 'encyclopedic' to meet Wiki standards. Hoping that the end result will just use the original article as a small subsection of the whole article. S. Hulce 05:04, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Comment. The comments by S. Hulce above are part of a transclusion from the article's talk page made by 206.39.111.20. Just wanted to clarify that S. Hulce didn't actually bother to come here to register an opinion. Deor 16:45, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. Some of this material would look to be useful on Wikitravel's page/s about the location and should be written up there forthwith. As it stands, this is simply uncited, subjective reviews of places to have a good time, which is not what you might call encyclopedic. If there are citations underlining the importance of the district, then they should be added here. That would suggest that the article would need to be rewritten, though, since all it says here is that people get drunk there. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 12:32, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep it here! - I definitely see the encyclopedic value of this article. I wasn't aware that it was Wikipedia's policy to delete articles that merely need some work/additions to bring it up to standards! This shouldn't even be a debate! Some background, inclusion of historical significance would make it a great article and a great read. Dobuita street/the honch is famous worldwide, I'd heard about it from my grandfather who was stationed in the Pacific in WWII, and that's how I found this article.— 125.14.180.11 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.