Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Hitchers (band from Limerick)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep Naconkantari 20:37, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Hitchers (band from Limerick)

The Hitchers (band from Limerick) (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

• Delete. Not noteworthy- records released on unknown label, and later by the band themselves (violates WP:N). Sources unverifiable (violates WP:V). Cpmartin 16:42, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep. "It's All Fun & Games 'Till Someone Loses An Eye" was certainly played a lot on BBC Radio 1 - in fact, now I know who it's by, I'm going to see if I can track down a copy - but I don't think it was ever in the charts, and I agree that the article needs proper sources. Tevildo 17:06, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

• Is there any way of verifying the airplay? Cpmartin 17:26, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

There's their John Peel entry, already referenced in the article, but I don't think there are any other archived playlists on the BBC site. Quite a few mentions in web postings of one sort or another (Google "hitchers BBC strachan"), but those, as we know, aren't admissible evidence. Tevildo 17:35, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

• The Hitchers recorded a session for John Peel in 1997 and featured in John's 'Festive 50' with their single 'Strachan'. 'Strachan' also featured on Steve Lamacq's show on BBC Radio 1 during the recent FIFA World Cup. BBC - Keeping it Peel Airwave 17:29, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, Peel was known for his eclectic selections. However, that doesn't come under any section of the list "Criteria for musicians and ensembles" in Wikipedia:Notability (music). Cpmartin 17:38, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

The Hitchers respect (at the least) section six of "Criteria for musicians and ensembles" Wikipedia:Notability (music). The Hitchers drummer and main songwriter, Niall Quinn, was a founding member of The Cranberries The Cranberries Official Biography - See paragraph sevenAirwave 18:02, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Interesting. Does seem like he was in "The Cranberry Saw Us", the predecessor to "The Cranberries". At that time, "they were known to just a fraction of music fans in Limerick city". The band re-named to "The Cranberries" after he left, and they got the new singer, Dolores O'Riordan and became very successful. Therefore I argue that he was never actually in the notable band "The Cranberries", but in an unsuccessful previous band. Hence section 6 doesn't apply, and the band is not notable. Cpmartin 18:22, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

• As per, Wikietiquette I feel that Airwave should disclose his interest as creator of, and nearly sole contributor to the original page. He worked with the band as a sound engineer, as he disclosed in the talk page. Also, I should declare my interest as the one who nominated the article for deletion. Cpmartin 18:42, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Let's not forget to disclose that Cpmartin's own (and sole) creation has been threatened with deletion. See Talk:The Hitchers (band from Teesside) Airwave 19:25, 20 December 2006 (UTC) — Airwave (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Indeed, that's how I came to realise that neither page is worthy of Wikipedia; you will notice that I am not contesting the deletion of that page. As we both seem to have an agenda perhaps we should both stay out of the rest of this discussion and see what others think. I think we've made our respective views clear. Cpmartin 19:37, 20 December 2006 (UTC) — Cpmartin (talk • contribs) has made no other edits outside this topic.

Sorry, but to come back to The Cranberries for a second, Niall, as a favour to the band he was leaving (amicably it must be said) contacted Dolores to come try out for the band as his replacement. See here. Therefore, no Niall, no Cranberries, as we now know them. A fairly notable involvement I'd say. Airwave 10:27, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

• I would also like to add that The Hitchers also respect section One of "Criteria for musicians and ensembles" Wikipedia:Notability (music), see these archived Hotpress articles. Hot Press (magazine) is Ireland's number one music magazine. Please understand that I am a novice as regards Wikipedia and was ignorant when it came to referencing sources... I will see to it that everything is properly sourced asap. Airwave 19:59, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep per Tev. -Toptomcat 17:50, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletions. --Slgr@ndson (page - messages - contribs) 19:31, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep Claims of notability: tours, records, awards, favorable reviews in magazines, need to be substantiated by citations to the issue of the magazine, to the date, author, title of newspaper articles. Meets WP"MUSIC if claims are proven by reference to the sources independent of the band. Edison 22:16, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
• Here is a link to another press review for The Hitchers, this time from the NME. Airwave 01:01, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
• With regard to section Ten of "Criteria for musicians and ensembles" Wikipedia:Notability (music), The Hitchers song, "You can only love someone so much but you can hate them all the way to hell", featured in the soundtrack to the Steve Barron film Rat. Airwave 01:01, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

This is all very good stuff. Remember that it needs to go in the article as well as the AfD debate. Tevildo 01:54, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Might I suggest a redirect to The Hitchers (Limerick band)? This isn't really a vote on my part, just a thought. Danny Lilithborne 03:57, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, the Teeside band is up for prod; if that goes through and this AfD results in a "Keep", I think that the Limerick band has a reasonable claim to The Hitchers itself. Tevildo 04:21, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

• I'm working on making a list of references. I will have something ready soon. Airwave 16:37, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
• I have added a 'Press' section to the article that links to various press clippings. Still a couple of sources missing but I have requested the info directly from the band and am waiting for them to get back to me. Airwave 12:35, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, if you carry on like that, the article might just get to hang around. I still think a large fraction of the timeline will have to go, as it's uncited or untraceable. Especially the "Limerick event guide". Put the links on the article, take out everything from the timeline that doesn't conform to WP:V, and I might reconsider my opinion, as it's Christmas. Cpmartin 17:06, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

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