Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Glory of Christmas

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The result was keep. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 05:15, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Glory of Christmas

The Glory of Christmas (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View log)

No assertion of notability. Prod removed asserting "produced since 1981." Author adds "widely advertised." Well, not here. Potatoswatter (talk) 14:30, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Weak keep. A Google search for "Glory of Christmas" +"Crystal Cathedral" does turn up some sources, such as this one and this one that would seem to attest to a modicum of notability for this annual production. I'd avoid it like the plague, myself, but that's not a valid reason for deletion. Deor (talk) 17:26, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Weak keep My google search turned up this site. Its a blog sadly (not very reliable) but it suggests the article is genuine:[1] Artene50 (talk) 21:53, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. -- the wub "?!" 14:40, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. -- the wub "?!" 14:40, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep jengod (talk) 01:25, 9 June 2008 (UTC) (1) Wikipedia articles have no "author," (2) Notable:
    • "'The Glory of Christmas,"' seen worldwide by more than 2.5 million people during its 25-year history..." (Living Nativity Seen by 2.5 Million; Angels Welcome the Season With Heightened Flying AbilitiesMurray, Virgie W.. Sentinel. Los Angeles, Calif.: Dec 8-Dec 14, 2005. Vol. LXXI, Iss. 38; pg. C8)
    • "This year marks the 25th anniversary of the 'Glory of Christmas,' a large-scale spectacle famous for its flying angels and live animals." ('GLORY OF CHRISTMAS' ; PRODUCTION'S 25TH YEAR // GLORIOUS SPECTACLE // Inland families make show an annual tradition HELENE BLATTER. The Press - Enterprise. Riverside, Calif.: Dec 7, 2005. pg. D.01)
    • "For more than a quarter of a century, the "Glory of Christmas" performed inside the all-glass Crystal Cathedral has been wowing audiences with their high flying angels, nimble dancers, live animals and magical special effects to create one of Southern California's most popular holiday productions." (Celebrating The Sound Of The Season With "The Glory Of Christmas" Anonymous. Sentinel. Los Angeles, Calif.: Oct 26-Nov 2, 2006. Vol. 72, Iss. 12; pg. B6, 2 pgs)
    • "It is a theological puzzle: Should the birth of Jesus be celebrated with a big bang, a la the Crystal Cathedral's "Glory of Christmas" with flying angels and Hollywood special effects, or a humble pageant, put together with homemade costumes and pint-size shepherds?" (Spiritual or spectacle? Lavish Christmas extravaganzas appeal to some, offend others who prefer humble celebrations; [1,2,6,7 Edition] Sandi Dolbee. The San Diego Union - Tribune. San Diego, Calif.: Dec 15, 2005. pg. E.1)
    • "...spiritual inspiration is the point of this Cecil B. DeMille-type production that fills the 12-story, 3,000-seat glass church near the Garden Grove Freeway." (VOLUNTEERS CATCH SPIRIT OF 'GLORY' ALLAN JALON Los Angeles Times (1886-Current File); Nov 28, 1986; ProQuest Historical Newspapers Los Angeles Times (1881 - 1986), pg. J1)
      • Aren't those all local newspapers? (Or local sections of a national paper based in SoCal) Potatoswatter (talk) 06:49, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
        • Yes. Is local notability objectionable? jengod (talk) 14:29, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Weak Keep All the references I've been able to find are either in the Orange County Register, LA Times, or Long Beach Press-Telegram, all locals. It's been broadcast on DirecTV in the past on one of their special event channels, but cant find any reference in IMDB, only in a DirecTV press release that mentions only the title. WP:NOTABILITY currently says nothing about local notability so we cant use that as a guideline, it states substantive coverage in multiple independent reliable sources The LA Times and OC Register are certainly reliable sources but I'd still like to see some better sources from outside of Los Angeles to solidify the notability of this topic or I'd be inclined to switch to weak delete.--Rtphokie (talk) 16:27, 9 June 2008 (UTC)


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