Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Frantix

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 12:01, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Frantix

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PRODded, then unprodded without explanation. The band has no recording contract and only have a demo and a self-released EP. Fails WP:MUSIC. User:Zoe|(talk) 04:00, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. As the original prodder. I would have taken it here originally but I was trying to give the creator a chance to justify the article that I didn't think it would get. I was right. Daniel Case 04:08, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Note: User:24.45.255.135 vandalized this page already ... first and only edit. Daniel Case 04:14, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
• I do not know the proper place to put this:

  I thought that wikipedia was a good source for information. Unfortunatley it has come to my attention that it is only meant to benefit the rich and sucessful. The band The Frantix are a large part of the Long Island punk scene ask any local punker who they are and they will tell you!The punk scene is one which prides itself on an "Do It Yourself" mentality. By meeting with the wikipedia standards of a musician/band they are not punk anymore (major record labels or extreme sucess) because that independent factor is lost. If you are going to delete the wikipedia page about the frantix then you might as well delete any page that has the words punk rock or hardcore because in essence having them up goes against your "standards". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.45.255.135 (talk • contribs)

  • We have plenty of articles about punk bands, and almost as many about hardcore. The CDs don't have to be a major-label release; it can be on "...one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable)." Obviously your mutually-exclusive standard of what constitutes a notable band on Wikipedia and what constitutes a punk band is not shared.
    Of course, a true punk couldn't care less about having Wikipedia article. Daniel Case 05:20, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete fails notability requirements. Viridae^Talk 04:28, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Fails WP:MUSIC. - Richfife 05:00, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, fails WP:MUSIC. And, on the contrary, there are plenty of punk/hardcore bands that meet these "standards." --Kinu ^t/_c 05:13, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
• DO NOT DELETE!"...a true punk couldn't care less about having Wikipedia article." A true punk stands up for what they believe in. A fan of ours created the page because he enjoys our music and feels we are just as important as bigger acts.Anybody with common sense knows that having an album released doesnt mean a thing the band leftover crack(who is on wikipedia)have amazing recordings but are the worst musicians i have ever seen live.Ashlee Simpson was caught lip synching on television yet she deserves to be called a musician? I reall could care less if you delete the thing but I'm not about to just say thanks but oh fucking well to someone who took their own time out to do something so generous for the members of my band and I.Besides all of you "wikipedians" have your own little waste of space when you click on your name and I have a feeling nobody even likes any of you. We HAVE fans and yet you will still deny this page. HAH. I remember when wikipedia wasnt a dictatorship! Believe me I know you arn't judging our music. But I believe as a long time wikipedia user that maybe I should be listened to. With out the people using this site you are nothing yet you will delete this and spend so much time doing so, when there is a bunch of meaningless garbage to delete.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.45.255.135 (talk • contribs)

  -Po(singer of the frantix)

  • Wikipedia has certain standards of notability. Any content that is included must pass these standards or it is likely to be brought here and deleted by consensus. I am sorry but your band does not seem to pass these restrictions. (Please note that we are not judging the quality of your music, just how well known it is.) Viridae^Talk 05:50, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
• - Has won or placed in a major music competition.

  - Has gone on an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one large or medium-sized country,[1] reported in notable and verifiable sources.

  - Has become the most prominent representative of a notable style or the local scene of a city (or both, as in British hip hop); note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability.

  3 Requirements met. End of discussion.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.45.255.135 (talk • contribs)

• ... um, except for the verifiability thing. Where are the reliable sources indicating this tour, prominent representative status, etc.? --Kinu ^t/_c 05:52, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
• "A true punk stands up for what they believe in" ... so true punks believe in shameless self-promotion? Seriously, what gets an act's article kept has nothing to do with any judgement as to the quality of their music — if it did, we'd not have Napoleon XIV — and everything to do with whether a sufficient number of people have heard of them. Otherwise the garage band that just got started last night would be entitled to an article. The best proxies for that are over at WP:MUSIC.
  Now, if you are asserting that your band, despite not having any but self-released CDs, meets the requirements above, simply stating it does is not "end of discussion". The article must have verifiable sources for those claims.
  We're waiting, and hoping you or someone can deliver. Daniel Case 05:56, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
• Just delete the god damn thing already you fucking scum bag! SHAMELESS SELF PROMOTION? IF by standing by our fans is shamless self promotion then sure!If any one of the members of our band had any input on the making of the page then maybe it was shameless self promotion, but we didnt so go fuck yourself! All of you have a personal page describing who you are what languages you speak,that you use windows XP as if anyone cares.Yet a real band is undeserving.You people crack me up.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.45.255.135 (talk • contribs)
• If you would take the time to look it up and not be so close minded and full/sure of yourself you would come across it very easily. I bet you haven't even looked. They were on tri-state area Warped Tour which only lists major-record label bands. They are on the 2006 Bloody Solution tour. It's your job to look these things up so either take my word for it or get on it already. Reliable sources indicating prominant representitive status? Try looking on general TriState area alternitive music websites sites (punk/hardcore). Here's one to start with though: www.lipunx.com, that's all I'm going to help you with though. They are practically taking over the music scene while you're sitting here telling me I'm wrong. I've justified the reason for this band to be up here. If you are going to be bitter and make claims you aren't even looking into or won't further back up then Wikipedia is proven no different from a conservatie, stubborn, right-wing facist cult. Shuz 06:03, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Actually it is your job. Per our Wikipedia:Verifiability policy, responsibility for citing sources lies with the editors who wish the content to remain. The consequence of your refusal to do so will be the deletion of the article. Please cite sources. Uncle G 13:11, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
  • I checked lipunx.com per your suggestion. One show in the listings page, fifth of six bands, for 8/24. Doesn't seem exactly to be "practically taking over the music scene while you're sitting here telling me I'm wrong" ... in fact, it seems like they and the fans are busy trying to save this article from deletion. It's Saturday night and ... they're feverishly editing Wikipedia. We're rocked.
    Also, the band's myspace indicates only two upcoming shows, the one already mentioned and New Year's Eve, 2007 (guess we won't be seeing them here, then). Daniel Case 02:55, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

• Oh and Daniel Case you are a hypocrite and you disgust me.. "I really, really hate vanity pages." yet you have a whole page devoted to yourself! Your milestones are all about editing other peoples articles. You are an ego maniac, get over yourself!—Preceding unsigned comment added by Po litical (talk • contribs) — Po litical (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
  • Is that less of a vanity page than a myspace telling the world, "If you don't like us, you can suck my dick"? Daniel Case 02:55, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

- Myspace is meant for vanity which is why it is called MYspace.You sir state that you dislike vanity pages on wikipedia and will nominate any for deletion, yet you HAVE a vanity page that takes up space ON WIKIPEDIA!You are an elitist what makes you so important that you deserve your own? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Po litical (talk • contribs)

• The page you are talking about begins "User:". It's in user space, which is different from article space (and to make things more interesting, this discussion takes place within project namespace). If you click on almost any other username here, you'll find something similar. User pages are by definition vanity pages. Daniel Case 02:21, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
  • To clarify this a little bit, Po, our user pages here are not quite vanity pages or MySpaces. I've always seen them as virtual cubicles, since Wikipedia is essentially an online workplace. Since you now have one that you are free to similarly modify, go check out our policy on user pages to understand the difference between them and article space pages.
    Seriously, if you'd like, if this band doesn't work out, do consider sticking around. Or even if it does. You might find an area where you could contribute constructively. Daniel Case 02:21, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Comment: I will add to this discussion that User:Po litical went and vandalized my user page this afternoon[1]. Not helpful to his case. Daniel Case 22:41, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

• • Another epigraph for the deletion section on my page. Oh well. (Yet another novice editor confuses user namespace with article namespace) Daniel Case 02:13, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Failed WP:MUSIC. Now instead of pouring all this Uncivil behavior and engaging in personal attacks, why not find and cite sources to back up your claims that the band in notable? If you can prove these claims with verifiable, reliable, and reputable sources, then of course the band would be a keep. The burden is on the authors/editors of the page to provide evidence/sources/citations. --Brian ^{(How am I doing?)} 06:25, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Failed WP:MUSIC --- rhmoore 06:28, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Vanity, unverifyible, inherantly POV. Dont like the band logo either. also per above.--Musaabdulrashid 06:51, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Fails WP:MUSIC. --Xrblsnggt 12:15, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:MUSIC. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 12:21, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
• Neutral - Fuck yo couch nigga —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.89.146.48 (talk • contribs)
• Delete and let's go back to sipping our brandy. ... discospinster _talk 20:32, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete absolute no verified claims to support notability under WP:MUSIC.-- danntm ^T _C 22:23, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not an administrator for this website. I signed up to create pages I felt should be here and that's why I made a page for this band for they have made a big imprint on the alternitive music scene of the tri-state area. I have also supplied proof in the previous posts that you so frequenlty ignore. I told you what major tours they were on (YES WITH NOTABLE BANDS). That should be enough. I gave you the name of the tours. It's your job to go look it up not mine. It's not my website.Shuz 01:36, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

• As said above, it is your job. If you know these things as you say you do you would have put them in the article to begin with. Would it be that hard to put the links here? Daniel Case 02:13, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
  • You said they were on the Warped Tour ... which year? I decided to take your word for it and search. I found some Ernie Ball Battle of the Bands Pages [2]. But most of the links mentioning it were myspaces, which are not reliable sources. And consider that the Warped Tour often has about 100 bands per show. Did the Frantix play each and every show of that year's Warped Tour? I note they're not on the list of 2006 Warped Tour bands at our own article, nor on the list of bands at the unofficial Warped Tour page.This is not auguring well for notability. Daniel Case 02:55, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Now, as for Bloody Solution: I got all of three relevant Google hits. One is a myspace for the 8/24 show.[3] Another is the main website for this tour. [4]. I don't see any mention of the Frantix as playing any shows other than the Amityville one we already know about. The other is one posted by the band themselves (or was it a fan, too?) at punx.org.[5].
    I am having real trouble accepting this as a major tour, especially since headliners The Scarred do not appear to be notable, either.
    Oh, and I really like that user profile at punx. But I hope I read that age right. Daniel Case 03:32, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Never mind WP:MUSIC. This is WP:VAIN being fed back through a Marshall stack. Lazybum 04:27, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

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