Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Dayton Family

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The main article is plagiarism, a hodgepodge of the AMG bio, a press kit bio I guess since I found it on a ticketmaster page, and who knows what else. Deleting the album articles, if anyone wants to recreate the band article in their own words then I'll undelete the album ones, though another AfD could happen of course. W.marsh 16:34, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Dayton Family, Welcome to the Dopehouse, F.B.I. (album), What's On My Mind?

NN band and its albums. Delete. - crz crztalk 16:28, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. The band has an Allmusic entry, its most popular album on Amazon (F.B.I.) is at 46100, which isn't bad considering the number of albums out there. --Groggy Dice 08:36, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. Notable band as per Groggy Dice above. (argh, forgot my tildes ... JubalHarshaw 01:04, 2 November 2006 (UTC))

• Delete. Yes, consider how many albums are out there, and how little attention these seem to get. Jayjg ^(talk) 15:08, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete all. Non-notable, does not meet WP:BAND at all. The assertion that one of their albums went gold needs to be sourced as it is highly unlikely. My band has an entry at Allmusic, and trust me, we're not notable. --Aguerriero (talk) 15:12, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

• Comment. Maybe I should have looked at that Allmusic entry more closely. The good news for the Dayton Family: it does say that one of their albums went gold. The bad: large portions of the article are ripped from the Allmusic bio. Some wording has been tweaked (including the first sentence, probably why I didn't immediately recognize the similarity), and some material seems to have been added at the end, but someone will have to clean up the entry. --Groggy Dice 16:25, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Note, a quick search at the RIAA Web site for gold and platinum records proves that none of their records ever went gold. Removing from article. --Aguerriero (talk) 17:19, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

• Comment. I've found various sites that have reprinted certain Soundscan results. This Van Halen site[1] reprints the Billboard top albums list for November 9, 1996, with the Dayton Family's FBI at #86, with a peak of #45. This MTV article[2] mentions near the bottom that their 2002 Dope House album debuted at #107. This board from October 2005[3] posts some urban results that put Dope House on the Top 10 Off the Radar, with total sales of 89,778. These sites are about other acts, so they have no motive to puff up the Dayton Family's numbers. I've also found this press release for a DF member solo album[4] that puts the combined Soundscan of What's On My Mind and FBI at over 500,000, with FBI credited with "over 300,000 units and still going." Although this party is not as disinterested, obviously, the numbers are plausible given what Dope House did after the group's six-year hiatus. To my mind, these numbers meet the threshold of notability. --Groggy Dice 14:20, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete all Fails WP:MUSIC, plus it reads like a tribute instead of an encyclopedia article. KrakatoaKatie 22:31, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.