Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Beevnicks

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge into You Damn Kid!. I will redirect this article, whilst leavinh the edit history. Feel free to merge in any information from The Beevnicks to the new target article. Proto::► 12:36, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Beevnicks

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Contested prod. Non notable webcomic. Beevnicks plus Dunne gets only 55 distinct Google hits[1], most of them links from his own websites (beevnicks, youdamnkid, dunnestuffe, myspace) or keenspot forums. No mentions in independent WP:RS sources indicating any notability. Being hosted on Keenspot is supposed to give notability, but if no one independent has deemed it important enough to comment on it, we can start to wonder if Keenspot hosting really is a good indicator of notability... Prod is contested, but no efforts were done to address the lack of WP:RS sources indicating notability. Fram 21:11, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

• Keep Yeah, the lack of sources doesn't help the article much, but it was run in a newspaper for a good long while before it was a web-only comic. It was also recently optioned to Fox to be developed into a television series, which I think is sufficiently different from your run-of-the-mill web comic. He's also put out at least one book, though I'm not sure if that was largely self-published or not. EVula // talk // ☯ // 21:23, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I think it was You Damn Kid! that was optioned for Fox, not Beevnicks. I have found no source for any printed publication, but I can't rule out a self-publication of course. Any sources for the newspaper publication? Fram 21:51, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Uh... yeah, I totally knew that. I was just, uh... testing to see if you were paying attention... yeah. Uh, good job, by the way; looks like you were! *cough* So, anyway...
As for this article, a "keep" !vote from me would be based on "I like it", so I'll just abstain (until I can actually pull up some real evidence for it). EVula // talk // ☯ // 23:32, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

• Merge Upon further contemplation (and after removing the egg from my face), why not merge this article into You Damn Kid!? After all, The Beevnicks started out as a sub-comic of YDK's, and there is already a Other hosted comics section; the Beevnicks content would have to get pared down a bit, but I think it would be perfectly reasonable to just put the lead paragraphs and infobox under a "The Beevnicks" heading. EVula // talk // ☯ // 03:45, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for reconsidering :-) The merge seems like a reasonable compromis to me, but I'll let a few other people comment as well, now that this AfD is running anyway. Fram 06:09, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

• Abstain -- I have to say that I must wonder if people are not posting because they don't know the strip or they just can't figure out how to give an answer. I know that's been my problem regarding placing a vote here -- best argument I can come up with is WP:ILIKEIT, and I'm no more comfortable with that than anyone else is. Given the inactivity on this AfD, I think it's at the point where this should either be relisted or dismissed without prejudice as "no consensus". Haikupoet 21:13, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Find sources: Beevnicks — news, books, scholar Addhoc 10:56, 7 February 2007 (UTC) *Delete - above searches return nothing and only 55 google hits. Addhoc 10:58, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

• Comment - I don't have a strong opinion either way. I think the subject is notable enough but we're severely lacking in reliable sources. If the article is not to be kept, however, I would strongly advocate a merge to You Damn Kid! rather than outright deletion. Powers ^T 14:53, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

*Keep -- I make it 449 distinct Google hits,[2] a number of which do seem to have substantive discussion. John M Baker 15:26, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

• Comment - your search gives "Results 1 - 47 of about 448 for beevnicks -wikipedia" this in effect means 47 unique hits not including Wikipedia. Addhoc 15:32, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, there appear to be varying and apparently inconsistent ways to manipulate the number of Googlits. For example, the search "beevnicks -wikipedia -site:beevnicks.com -site:youdamnkid.com" gets 116,000 hits,[3] even though there should be fewer than the 448 hits for "beevnicks -wikipedia". What this suggests to me is that the number of Google hits may not be a reliable determiner of notability. I guess my "Keep" argument has to come down to the fact that I believe there is public interest in webcomics like The Beevnicks, and Dunne does seem to have an audience. John M Baker 16:26, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

• Comment - your revised search gives 44 hits, none of which appear to be reliable sources. Addhoc 16:37, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

My point was simply that Google counts are not particularly reliable, as others have noted.[4] Unfortunately, that does mean a lack of verifiable support for my notability argument. Under the circumstances, a change in my vote to merge into the clearly notable You Damn Kid! seems more defensible. John M Baker 17:12, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

• Merge per John M Baker. Addhoc 17:30, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.